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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    The term comes from the Bible.

    God kills Onan for his behaviour :D

    Onan - Wikipedia
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yes he did and he stood aside because of it.

    The c word is one I absolutely hate, but people do use it including people on this forum.

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  3. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Second video at 2.39 says it all
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    A hate of mine also,never heard it used on here to be honest
  5. oss
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    He's talking about the wisdom that would have been apparent if we hadn't all been lied to up to that point, the problem is that after being lied to people end up drawing different less wise conclusions than they might otherwise have done with a more truthful approach.

    Had we acted properly in January and February 2020 we could have been closer to the trajectory of countries like Germany or some Asian countries back then, people would have understood that draconian measures work, instead we dithered about for months eased up far too early in the summer and now everyone is convinced that lockdowns don't work and there is no trust in the science or advice from the scientists now.

    Do you think when countries like South Korea now re-implement strict measures that their people are complaining, no the vast majority go along with the government because they see how effective they were in dealing with it, don't forget South Korea had a huge outbreak in the south of the country in a religious group right at the start, they got that under control and their population at 51 million is only a little bit less than ours.
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  6. Anon220806
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    Like I have said before, there is so much material out there. And some of which I have posted.

    If you follow this up it takes you through the findings on comorbidities / metabolic syndrome / underlaying health conditions and Covid19 deaths

    . There are links.

    I could pull together a long series of links but it’s a waste of time if it isn’t read and digested.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2521-4

    The relationship is so obvious that a good number of GPs are recommending their metabolically challenged patients eat a real food / low carb diet.

    Data Sources
    “This secure analytics platform operating across NHS patient records of over 17 million adults and 6 million children was used to identify, quantify and analyse factors associated with COVID-19-related death in one of the largest cohort studies on this topic conducted by any country so far. Most comorbidities were associated with increased risk, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, respiratory disease (including severe asthma), obesity, a history of haematological malignancy or recent other cancer, kidney, liver and neurological diseases, and autoimmune conditions. South Asian and Black people had a substantially higher risk of COVID-19-related death than white people, and this was only partly attributable to comorbidities, deprivation or other factors. A strong association between deprivation and risk was also only partly explained by comorbidities or other factors.”
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  7. Anon220806
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    Just another word on the New Forest PCN website that I posted and Lower Carb nutrition. It is going to be replicated in the Southampton region. That doesn’t cover the Isle of Wight, but they might get in 10 years time. A quick flick through not only lays out the lower carb solution but it deals with cholesterol and lipids in a way that corrects for the last 50years. Slowly but surely primary care networks are moving away from calories, CICO, moderation, statins, and high carb low fat diets. Not because of a new fad diet coming to town, but because the evidence (as in patients records) are demonstrating that these dietary changes need to be made. No forum opinion or study will be able to claim otherwise. The data now is with the PCN’s in the form of patient records.
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    I spoke to my sister tonight and she is back on a low carb diet same one she was on 11 years ago, and I finally got confirmation from her that my brother in law was still on Metformin but he is on a low carb diet and has controlled his diabetes through that, he has also got rid of 4 stone in the last couple of years, he is on heart drugs as well he's 75 or 76 now.

    I fully agree that all these illnesses are markers for a poorer outcome with Covid-19, all I am saying is that suddenly adopting a low carb diet is not any kind of guarantee anyone will now now survive Covid-19.

    My sister would fully agree with everything else that you have posted this last year on this subject, would fully agree that it works, but like me she would not try extrapolate any kind of conclusion from that re covid-19 mortality.

    It's pretty obvious that not being obese would be a great help, and I consider my obesity to be my personal single biggest risk, but right now I am and no diet is going to get me into a safe zone anytime soon, yes I know that people have gotten rid of weight very quickly 30lbs or more in a couple of months that still would not get me in a safer zone.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I know the context he is referring to in the video, the key words are "we are all adults" and you and I appear to be going round in circles on this one! we all have over the months the same information you suggest lied to, untimely or a more truthful approach, I have a different view, either way it is the same information and as you say and I have said people make decisions wise or otherwise, you cannot blame the government for unwise decisions I think I made a wise decision not seeing my children and grandchildren over christmas based on the same information that the nation got but I do not blame the government for not seeing my children because I could of as I was thankfully covid free over that period, you have made wise decisions (in your view) to limit the amount of time you have spent outside, some would say you have been over cautious some would say youve got it right it was and has been your decisions.
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    I fully expect your flag waver to agree with your response!
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  10. oss
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    I am not responsible for what Keith chooses to do on this site, I have never met him or spoken to him on the phone.

    You are arguing that governments cannot be held to account, I am arguing that they can be held to account.

    If you can't hold a government to account then is it even a government, if you can't hold them to account then they can do anything with impunity, win an election on any pretext or set of lies and then they do whatever the feck they like for 5 years.
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    isnt that exactly what happens ? especially if the gov has a big overall majority.
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    The people that take that view attempt to tell everyone else that they should shut up and accept it for the next 5 years, it's the being told to shut up that I object to.

    So the government won an election and I and everyone else just have to put up and shut up about how they exercise that power for the next 5 years whether they act with total incompetence or against the interests of citizens of this country.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Who's told you to shut up?
  14. Anon220806
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    England records a further 563 hospital deaths

    A further 563 people who tested positive for coronavirus have died in hospital in England, bringing the total number of confirmed deaths reported in hospitals to 71,789, NHS England says.

    Patients were aged between 24 and 99.

    All except 29 people, aged between 34 and 97, had known underlying health conditions.

    The deaths were between December 14 and January 30.

    There were 27 other deaths reported with no positive Covid-19 test result.

    We expect to hear the UK-wide coronavirus figures shortly.
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    Well, I appreciate your opinion, but you would think a cardiologist with 20 years experience would know. What you probably don’t know is how quickly peoples health markers improve when going over to a lchf diet. It is remarkably quick and n= a lot . All sorts of people of varying ages and varying levels of health are proving this. Dr Aseem Malhotra speaks out but he is by no means alone. As a cardiologist he deals with it all. To a certain degree it’s all intertwined so that cardiac arrest is a manifestation of poor metabolic health. This is why as a cardiologist he is so familiar with what is perceived to be individual chronic illnesses typically stemming from eating the wrong food. It all comes down to food. We are what we eat.

    In the Good Morning Britain interview they discuss blame. Listen to Sharon Davies response.



    My opinion on this is that this government is not addressing what the nation eats and should be. The health Secretary knows what is required. He knows getting on a bicycle will not sort things out. The reason why they are not doing what is really required is in the PHC interview between Tom Watson and Dr Aseem Malhotra that I posted a few months ago.

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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Sharon Davis is spot on.
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Expand the scope, I am making a general point which includes the Scottish 2014 referendum, the Brexit referendum and now the 'we can't accuse this government of incompetence' argument.
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I am aware of that you have made the point many times.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Says who?
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    Weekend numbers, figures reported on Sunday and Monday are always substantially lower than the rest of the week although I would expect some reduction to be evident on Tuesday after 16:00.

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