If you can't see it I'm not going to rehash it again. All I will say is that you seem to think I am trying to get directly at you and that is not what this discussion is about, I am talking more generally about the way these subjects are treated in wider discussion, not just here.
Many people prefer not to use medication and eat better food instead. Your brother in law obviously chooses to survive on Metformin. He isn’t the only one. It’s his choice to be drug dependent. Dr Aseem Malhotra’s next book is on statins. He will explain that you don’t need them if you eat the right food.
To address further the conundrum of who is to blame on public health and Covid19. In a way we all are. We have all been sucked into it here in the U.K. The government clearly isn’t doing the right thing. But the people at grass roots level are. And it is working. Despite the lack of government intervention, change in public health and nutrition is happening. The New Forest website is the latest testimony to that.
Try this one too @oss. There is a heap of relevant material in this interview with Dr Aseem Malhotra. Interesting how he explains his strategy as an influencer in terms of public health and chronic disease. Listen to what he says about influencing the politicians. He says Matt Hancock completely gets it. No doubt he is right. But Matt Hancock “getting it” isn’t enough.
Now in the 3rd and yet nothing has changed on average 1.3 million every year world wide yet their has never been a lock down for that. The vast majority of covid cases recover and most people under 50 have very little risk of covid time to change tact and protecting those that need it than on self harming lockdowns that are slowing destorying they lives of millions
Well you are lucky I don't get that choice I work for the NHS I did not get covid from the pub or shopping or even mixing with friends and family I got it from work, I did not get a holiday last year and I won"t this year, I did not see my girlfriend last year and won't this year, no pay rise yet cost of living is going up. Im just one of millions in this country that are sick of ineffective un targeted lock downs that do more harm that good for the vast majority so if you were to ask me what I would prefer the risk of the virus or the slow unnecessary protracted desolation of millions of lives in this country Ill take the virus every time.
And this government can't be held to account as many civil liberties and rights have been taken away because of covid laws (like the right to protest) Liberalism can not survive in a police state. If I leave my house for a reson the police deem unnecessary I can be fined or arrested the very definition of a police state.
I agree. The focus of the lockdowns amounted to overkill. Locking down the nation to protect the vulnerable wasn’t necessary. Locking down the vulnerable to protect the vulnerable would have been sufficient.
I do not think you are trying to get at me directly, what I do think is you want to answer a point with a pre set answer. To rewind to my original point 4 people of the same family meet over Christmas all with underlying health problems sadly 3 pass away and the survivor blames the government. Well hang on they made the decision to meet based on the same " out there information" that the vast majority have had. Some see that information as late wrong or other reasons some see it other ways, you, I and millions of others have made decisions based on that information. @JohnAsh put up a bit about a Sharon Davis interview and she talks about obese people going into fast food outlets that don't offer healthy diets, can the obese blame the outlets for their state of health, no. Over the weekend there have been reports of police breaking up an orgy a gambling den and catching a couple who had driven from London to the Cotswolds on the excuse it was easier to go shopping in the Cotswolds. If any of the participants take ill as a result of these escapades is it still the government's fault. As a footnote I don't think I have commented on the government performance throughout the pandemic!
We are in the third wave because we didn't deal with the pandemic the way China did, the lockdowns are in that sense failing because of government pandering to those who kept complaining about being locked down, the reason it keeps repeating is that we don't do lockdowns the right way.
I've not suffered Covid yet, if I get it then I will probably die, you have my sympathy you are right you didn't get that choice but the vast majority of those breaking the rules have that choice and they don't care. I didn't get a holiday last year, I likely won't get one this year or maybe if I am lucky I might get Christmas, I have not seen my children for 14 months and it will likely have been a 2 year gap before I do, I too got no inflation pay rise and the cost of living is going up here and for my kids, I didn't get a bonus this year, in total I lost about 8 grand in income but was never furloughed, yes I am lucky I can and do work from home.
That notion is based on the extremely flawed notion that herd immunity is possible, most evidence is now showing that natural immunity is short lived compared to vaccine immunity and we still don't even know the duration of vaccine immunity. If you let it run wild through the population you will breed a variant that escapes the vaccines or a version that is more deadly in younger populations and it will be endemic and circulate over and over and over again. Eventually it might mutate to a less fatal variant that's what Coronavirus's have tended to do in the past.
Well, by the summer of 1919, the Spanish flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.
The Spanish flu engendered some of the longest lasting immunity ever shown in human B cells, this was determined from a study of the blood of elderly survivors of the virus born from around 1910 onwards, they were found to still have active B memory cells effective against the 1918 flu. The study was conducted about 15 years ago. The common cold HCoV-OC43 virus is suspected to have jumped to humans from cattle or pigs sequencing dates that event at around 1890, roughly the time of the Russian flu, which is now thought to have really been a coronavirus. HCoV-NL63 another common cold virus also sequenced looks to have jumped from bats some 550 to 800 years ago, these coronaviruses use the same ACE-2 receptors to enter cells as SARS-CoV-2 and they would have looked like pandemics back when they first crossed species. OC43 and NL63 can still cause serious illness in people but they are not as deadly as they likely were when they first jumped to people. Immunity for both of these older Coronaviruses is not long lasting and at this point we just don't know if SARS-CoV-2 will be the same. So if there is no long term immunity we will only rid ourselves of it through repeated vaccination programmes year after year. edit: I should have made it clearer that HCoV-OC43 is only one of many common cold viruses only 4 are coronaviruses, there are I think about 100 different viruses that cause what we call the common cold.
