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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. oss
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    There was something on the news today where they were saying they had no play book or instruction manual on how to deal with Covid, trying to wash their hands of the mess, utter bullshit the far east had a playbook, had their own instruction manual and all we had to do was ask them but no didn't happen just excuses, excuses, excuses.
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  3. Anon220806
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  4. John Stevens
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    Yes bad Britain, should be more like China:D
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  5. oss
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    In this case, yes we should be more like China, although what I meant were the satellite nations like South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore etc. who handled it extremely well.
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  7. John Stevens
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    Just waiting on the declaration of Marshall law and the suspension of Parliament oh and the riots:D
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

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  10. oss
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    They could have stated the obvious and explicitly told everyone not to meet up on Christmas day at all, you can't let the government off the hook for their total failure to act in time from late September onwards when they new damn fine that a new variant was in circulation, things would be nowhere near as bad if the country had continued the November lockdown through to January.
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  11. John Stevens
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    And I and many others would of ignored them I have see my family 3 times in the last year one of those times was at Christmas.
    Lock downs are not working its time to lockdown the most at risk and protect them locking down everyone is not possible at least those that are at risk can make an informed choice to stick to the rules or not.
  12. Anon220806
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    I have said the same. Lockdown the most at risk. They (the government) could have done that but didn’t. It’s too late now though. Well, too late for the bulk of the 100,000. And if the vaccine works, many of the remainder of the most at risk are already vaccinated.
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    “Another myth that was mentioned on the show is that doing more exercise is part of the solution to combat obesity. This is blatantly false, and is part of the propaganda machine that has been used by junk food companies to deflect blame from their products to lack of exercise as the major cause of weight gain. Although exercise has many benefits for physical and mental health weight loss is NOT one of them. And if you have to exercise to keep your weight stable then your diet is wrong.”

    Quoting Dr Aseem Malhotra.
  14. oss
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    Well I beg to differ.

    Strict lockdowns are the only thing that has worked so far, for every case that has died there are 4 to 5 additional damaged people of all ages with long term serious effects from SARS-CoV-2, the notion of protecting the elderly alone will not work and never would have worked it was based on a false notion that herd immunity was possible and it is becoming clearer and clearer that natural herd immunity is almost certainly impossible without vaccination programmes (edit: and we are not even sure if vaccination is going to achieve herd immunity either).

    Not to mention that allowing unchecked spread in any large population is an evolutionary experiment that will, not might, but will result in variants that achieve vaccine escape.
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    I agree but will make this observation, obesity rates in the UK are reckoned to be around 30% in the USA it's closer to 40% not just overweight but technically obese, and yet our Covid-19 mortality figures are worse than the USA.

    To me that says there is more to it than simply weight.
  16. Anon220806
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    Have a read of this. Sure it isn’t the complete picture as the article explains. It is as I said before to do with poor metabolic health which obesity is a huge factor. However obesity is a huge component and is typically related to other adverse health conditions. There are also those that are thin on the outside and fat on the inside. Trying to shoot this stuff down is like King Canute shouting at the sea.

    https://doctoraseem.com/the-truth-about-obesity/

    https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-inf...esity-physical-activity-and-diet/england-2020

    And the stats for kids is worrying. Unfortunately the NHS solution of move more eat less doesn’t work. Dietary control on the other hand does.
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  17. Anon220806
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    I disagree. What ultimately prevents this virus from killing so many in a majority of cases is good metabolic health. It’s the same for the new variant and the latest wave of the pandemic in the U.K. The data, as discussed before is out there. The virus loves the metabolically unhealthy. Lock them down and the problem is solved. Or vaccinate. Or change their diet. :D
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    What is specifically killing people in this epidemic is the inflammatory response to the virus in their bodies, drowning in their own fluids, show me a study that says changing diet has been measured as reducing anyone's risk from this virus.

    And you are still ignoring vaccine escape, as is most of the world with the inequitable distribution of vaccines.
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  19. Mattecube
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    I am neither putting on or letting off any government from the hook.
    To suggest they needed to be told explicitly not to mix on Christmas day is false and unnecessary.
    I wasn't told not to but I did, where you and did You?
    Subsequent replies suggest that either way any instruction would of been ignored.
    People are making their own choices, there is enough information out there to advise accordingly it's sad that people go short term and suffer but then to a portion blame at any government( left, right or down the middle) is wrong.
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    I disagree, the government has the power to make laws, we don't get to choose to not wear a seatbelt or a crash helmet, likewise we should not have had the choice to mix at Christmas.

    I have not been out my door since Dec 1st when I MOT'd my car except to take rubbish down to the bins, I have not opened my door without wearing an FFP3 Mask and fully sealed swimming goggles.

    People making their own choices is killing other people, the choices are not about your own safety it's about the consequences of your actions on other people, if you go out and mix and you are happy to make yourself a potential carrier then you are happy to potentially kill other people, and that is fundamentally wrong.

    This whole me, me, me culture of the last 40 years is wrong.
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