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What do you think of speed cameras?

Discussion in 'Rant and Rave' started by Timmers, Oct 3, 2014.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    The answer to that is obvious. But "speeding" is defined by the limit that is designated in law. It is that that is in question and the application of it, not the police's role in law enforcement. Or how they view it. There's is to enforce the law.

    Who here has said speeding is okay?
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2014
  2. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    What has "perspectives" got to do with it?
    It is very simple: if you break the speed limit and get caught by a speed camera in the UK, you get fined and get points on your license.
    Speeding also contributes greatly to causing accidents.
  3. Anon220806
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    I can see you are observant. You are stating the obvious.

    I will say it again, who is quibbling with that?

    Take your gripe elsewhere Mike.
  4. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Who cares about "other countries"? We don't live there....
    Keep on topic.
  5. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Err... You are making me laugh now.

    I ask you again. Who is quibbling with your post on the enforcement of speeding offences?
  6. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Mike. Have you ever broken a speed limit?
  7. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I have made my point of view very clear.
    Speed cameras are essential to saving lives and also speeding is wrong.
    Why discuss other countries? Who cares about them?
  8. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Yes, before training as a professional driver.
    Driving every day makes you see the horrors that speeding causes.
  9. Anon220806
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    So do you think you are the only one to see the horrors?

    And since becoming a "professional" have you never once broken any safety related regulations? Cut corners on truck related safety?
  10. Anon220806
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    Obviously you dont.
  11. Anon220806
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    Have you never driven a truck that is overloaded?

    Or with unsafe or unsafely packed or secured cargo?

    Or when tired or ill?

    Without taking sufficient breaks?

    Without bullying a driver in front or to the side?

    Have you never flouted road safety regs as a truck driver? At any time?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...chographs-goods-vehicles-in-gb-and-europe.pdf


    It can be very dangerous if you do and the police and law take a dim view of it.

    I hope any Dangerous Goods that you carry are declared on the appropriate documentation and that you carry the relevant hazard ID labelling. If not then you would be flagrantly breaching road safety regulations as Normally a dim view of this sort of thing is taken in the eyes of the law.
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  12. Markham
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    People cause accidents, not speed.
  13. oss
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    Yes but people have a very poor grasp of probability and additionally they have a very poor grasp of the sheer amount of Kinetic Energy involved when a couple of tons of metal is travelling at 90 miles an hour.

    I am not averse to limits however I would prefer to see minimum stopping distance enforced rather than arbitrary limits irrespective of road conditions, people seem to think it is ok to sit 20 feet behind the car in front at all times and all speeds, it's not.
  14. Markham
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    So this "Kinetic Energy" that you speak of, is it affected by location or language? I rather think it must be because in Germany, where there is no speed limit for much of the country's autobahns, there are fewer road accidents than in the UK and furthermore, according to a 2005 German government survey, the number of accidents on speed-controlled autobahns was about the same as on autobahns that had no speed limits.
  15. aposhark
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    John,
    I drive artics 5 or 6 days every week so I will see more accidents than most and believe me HGV drivers see all the nutters trying to overtake us and risking their lives as well as others.
    I have never been done for speeding as an HGV driver. I have a clean licence (zero points) and have not "broken any safety related regulations or cut corners on truck related safety?" When you drive 44 tons around you have a completely different outlook on safety as the potential for killing or maiming people is far greater if you are not paying attention all the time.
    If you haven't driven an artic around the UK you will have little understanding of how stupid people can be in cars.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2014
  16. aposhark
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    No to all of those questions except taking the correct breaks all the time.
    FYI, it is impossible to take the right breaks every week of every year and I doubt whether there is a HGV driver in the world who can conform to the breaks.
    Have you got a C&E licence to drive 44 tons?
    Are you a professional HGV (LGV) driver?
    If you can answer yes to the two questions above, lets discuss further.
    If you haven't, stop wittering on about things you think you know about when you haven't got a clue what it takes to get and keep using a C&E licence.
    Reading and quoting laws you read from the internet and driving an artic around are two different worlds.
    As you mentioned in another thread "Do you see things in black and white".
    Yes I do. I much prefer it than constantly seeing things in vague armchair grey :)
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  17. oss
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    K = 1/2 (m*v-squared) where K is the energy in joules, m is the mass and v is the velocity in metres per second, German autobahns are not all speed limit free and yes the average energies involved there are far higher than the UK however there are many other factors like traffic density that would affect the outcome in the event of an accident, just because it is ok on many German roads does not make the same scenario ok on UK roads with potentially different congestion levels.

    I would be in favour of variable limits based on conditions and electronically displayed on overhead gantries.

    And if people did understand the energy involved in a moving mass a bit better maybe they would not sit a couple of feet behind the car in front when they are hammering along at 90 mile an hour.
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  18. Anon220806
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    You arent the only person in the country that has an appreciation of working to safe limits. Or how stupod people can be in cars.

    Stick all the lorries in the inner lane. Move the excess by rail. :D

    You must be a rare breed that hasnt cut corners on safety. :D
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2014
  19. Anon220806
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    Agreed.

    Thank god for some sanity in this thread.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2014
  20. Anon220806
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    There are a lot of factors involved in driving safely.

    Size of the lanes
    Speed of the vehicle.
    Traffic on the road including the excessive number of lorries.
    Weather conditions.
    Alertness of the driver.
    Age of the driver.
    Experience of the driver.
    Mental state of the driver.
    Focus and concentration of the driver.
    Reaction time of the driver.
    And other what might be called human factors.
    Maybe even sex of the driver.
    Alcohol
    Drugs
    Condition of the vehicle including brakes, tyres, load.

    There are no doubt more. Feel free to add to the list....

    As Oss says. It probably warrants a variable limit system. But no doubt it would be hard to get it spot on.

    Driving on the motorway in remote parts of Scotland, for example, might be best served with a higher limit than sections of motorway running down past Brum.
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