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The new Anglo-American 'Special Relationship' ends the "Blair Doctrine"

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Jan 27, 2017.

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  1. Aromulus
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    How many Turks has the UK got to allow in the country for that amount of money...???
  2. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I would say zero! :)

    May knows that relaxed immigration rules for Turks would not go down very well with the people of the UK, it would probably give our Andrew a laugh though :)
  3. Methersgate
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    There are, to my knowledge, plenty of Turks in this country already on spurious grounds.

    If May had been any use at all as Home Secretary she would have done something about it. But the truth is that Immigration Enforcement is the most useless part of the whole Home Office
  4. Timmers
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    I agree to some point, I'm not bubbling with confidence that immigration will go down as much as the Brexiteers would like after we exit the EU.

    Time will tell.
  5. Markham
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    It's a development contract: the Turks are buying BAe's expertise and all the manufacturing will be done in Turkey. So there's unlikely to be any impact immigration-wise.
  6. oss
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    Technology transfer, I would have thought you would be concerned about that?

    Who else gets access to that 'know how' once it is well established in Turkey?

    I do of course know they are our NATO allies.
  7. Markham
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    I would hope that BAe have been given strict parameters by the MoD and Secret Services and won't be including the newest and most secretive stuff into their design. However if the resulting aircraft are acquired by unfriendlies, we will know all its strengths and weaknesses.
  8. Timmers
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    I do not think the MoD will be supplying any hi tech equipment that can be copied very easily, it will probably be sold with a MoD service contract.

    I remember years back when working at Porton Down seeing a PCB that had been made in house, the transistors, resistors, diodes, transformers, inductors, oscillators, relays, rectifiers, every component on the board had no value codes printed on them thus making it very difficult to copy. I would like to think that their software was inaccessible too, I'm guessing that the military in most countries have some clever chaps working for them who specialise in making arms that are sold overseas difficult to copy and difficult to arm and use without special tools and equipment.

    Having said that the Chinese can copy anything :)
  9. oss
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    I worked in Faslane, in the offices mostly, as a contractor, but I saw the shop floor the kit was ancient, the primary job of the electrical engineers at these sites is to keep ancient out of date technology working and they do a great job of that.

    You are way out of date regards circuit boards, the supporting large components are irrelevant and could have their values calculated in a couple of hours, it is slightly harder to analyse the 3 dimensional structure of a multilayer PCB (I worked in the PCB industry one of my biggest customers was a PCB plant) and more to the point past that you would be reverse engineering ASIC's 'Application Specific Integrated Circuits'.

    ASIC's can be analysed in many ways but primarily you would be using an electron microscope to study the physical structure of the chip, regards the software that's going to be on flash memory or solid state drives, even if it is encrypted they will still be able to read it in any working system, the working system has to run the decrypted version.

    It is almost impossible to conceal any secret software from the purchaser of a system, once they have the hardware they can do whatever they want with the software, it's not easy but they will have the people that can do it.

    The hard bit is analysing what the software actually does, the larger the system the harder that task becomes, if you only have the runtime code it is hard to convert it back to human readable text, you lose a vast amount of context in the process, variable names etc. , however it can still be done, military systems are all real time and at the core they are all state machines the guys that hack this stuff are good enough to understand what it is doing.
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  10. Bluebird71
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    :D

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  12. Bluebird71
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    Nothing more democratic than May's ascendancy to PM.
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  13. Markham
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    Or Brown's .... At least May was elected by Conservative MPs; nobody elected Brown.
  14. Timmers
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    True, but we all know what the outcome of a General Election would be if one was held tomorrow, even the pollsters wouldn't get that wrong :)
  15. Markham
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    I note with relief that Theresa May has now condemned Trump's Executive Order banning the entry into the US Muslims born in seven countries. Given the controversy surrounding his election, I can't help wondering whether the drafting was carried out by Democrat-supporting State Department officials and made deliberately wide-ranging as to cause the President severe embarrassment. The entire population of Somalia, for example, can not be blamed for the actions of a limited number of its scions and this travel ban means that our multi-Gold Medallist Mo Farrah can not return to his American home.

    Get some competent drafters for your Orders, Mr President, before your credibility goes into the toilet.
  16. oss
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    BEFORE? :D :lol:
  17. Dave_E
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    I seem to recall that the UK authorities were attempting to return, deport, Mo's brother back to his home country Somalia not that long ago. Something to do with multiple robberies and knife attacks. Did he ever go?
  18. Timmers
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    I don't think the UK has a good record of sending criminals back to their home countries, not letting them in in the first place is a better option.

    I'm surprised that Trump didn't give any notice about the recent travel ban, its a bit harsh when people are in transit to the US to refuse them entry.

    Its harsh to single out specific countries, you cannot help feeling that Trump may be making the US a bigger target for ISIS and the rest of the nutter terrorist groups because of his actions.

    I am left wondering where Trumps bold actions on immigration will take the US, I watch with great interest :)
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  20. Markham
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    Whilst Britain doesn't have much success in deporting criminals, it has an excellent record for deporting those who've made the UK their home, bought houses and have gainful employment here, paying their fair share of taxation and raised children here; their only "crime" is that they're not British though they have a British spouse.

    The British government has to take a pragmatic approach when dealing with foreign leaders of countries we seek to have trade deals with. Trade deals tend to last longer than elected leaders or representatives.
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