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The new Anglo-American 'Special Relationship' ends the "Blair Doctrine"

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Jan 27, 2017.

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  1. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    The main reason I could see with Clinton was the fact that the US electorate just didn't trust her.
  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    And then there was her "Deplorables" statement which summed up what she thought of the electorate.

    Who knows what Donald's Presidency will be like, got to give the guy a break.
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  3. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I am no supporter of Hillary Clinton; Bernie Sanders would have had my vote.

    But to remind you; Trump lost the popular vote by three million.

    Now let's see you justify the election of Trump and the decision to leave the EU without showing yourself to be a hypocrite...
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  4. Methersgate
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    If you cannot see what it is like already, you must be rather slow on the uptake.

    Incompetent.

    He campaigned on a "I will stand up to China" platform and in his very first phone call with Xi Jinping he concedes "one China" and gets....

    ...


    ...nothing at all!
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  5. Markham
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    From a reading of the foregoing comments, it would appear that those who'd prefer a Clinton or Sanders White House are the very same people who are opposed to Britain leaving the EU, support John Bercow's public rant against Donald Trump and who view Trump as a racist and misogynist, someone we as a country should not do business with.

    There is a fellow member nation of the European Union where the crack-down against Muslims makes Donald Trump's attempt look feeble and liberal. A country that has erected a 110 mile border fence, dubbed the new 'Iron Curtain', topped with razor wire, fitted with sensors that detect any damage and patrolled by an expanded police force. A country where at least one mayor bans the wearing of the burqa, the building of new mosques and the Muslim call to prayer. A country where bounty hunters chase immigrants on horseback, in SUVs and on motorbikes, where the police mete out extreme violence to anyone caught trying to sneak into the country, a country that has only admitted 16 asylum seekers out of over 180,000 claims and a country which is now defying the Schengen Treaty.

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    That EU member is Hungary where all these measures pre-date Trump's announced temporary ban so where are the banner-waving, potty-mouthed, pussy-hatted protestors and why aren't they marching up and down Eaton Place in London's Belgravia, wherein lies the Hungarian Embassy? Has Bercow, Corbyn, Robertson or Farron made any critical mention of Hungary or its Prime Minister, Victor Orban? (To be fair, nobody on the Tory benches has either but then Tories generally are not known for their liberalism.) You'd think that at the very least Corbyn would speak out, given his pro-Muslim proclivities. There has been some rather muted criticism on mainland Europe by leftist groups, human rights organisations and liberal politicians but nothing on the scale that greeted Trump's announcement.

    Today we learn that Merkel is to spend millions of Euros to bribe migrants to leave Germany in an embarrassing climb-down from her pro-migrant (pro-cheap labour) stance - a volte-face likely to have been sparked by the rise in popularity of the right-wing AFD party in Germany and her drop in popularity. Whilst the AFD is unlikely to come to power in the forthcoming elections, the same can not be said elsewhere in Europe. In Holland, the right-wing, anti-Muslim Geert Wilders is leading the polls just weeks before a general election and in France, which goes to the polls in April, the right-wing Front National candidate Marine Le Pen is tipped to win. Beppe Grillo's anti-establishment Eurosceptic party, Five Star Movement is gaining popular support and Poland has recently elected a right-wing, Atlanticist and Eurosceptic government.
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  6. Bluebird71
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    Sounds like someone else
  7. Bluebird71
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    But more Americans trusted her more than they trusted Trump.

    Clinton - 48.2% of the vote
    Trump - 46.1% of the vote.

    A bit trickier to play the "majority elected him" card on this one folks....
  8. Methersgate
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    Mark changes the subject, because he cannot answer the question.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world...


    The elusive export boom: Britain
    Sterling’s 15% depreciation since the Brexit vote in June would—many hoped—bring a big improvement in the balance of trade. Britain has run a trade deficit for most of the postwar period; it was last in surplus in 1997. Alas, figures out today are expected to show that the deficit in December was about as large as it was for the rest of 2016. Export volumes have barely budged since the vote, suggesting that British exporters are not exploiting the pound’s weakness to expand into new markets; instead they are simply letting sterling prices rise slightly and booking bigger profits. Consumers, meanwhile, are not yet cutting back on imports, even though they have become costlier: spending on foreign holidays, for instance, is holding up. Hopes that the weak pound would help to rebalance the economy towards an export-oriented model are, for now, proving empty.

    Economist, 10/02/17

    I do wish these experts would keep their noses out of it......................they ruin the Brexwit fantasy.
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  9. Bluebird71
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    What superb logic. Owner of pub arrested for selling booze to 13 year olds. His defence "If I didn't sell those kids the booze, someone else would".
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  10. Bluebird71
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    Are you confident Nationalism will work out differently in this cycle?
  11. Bluebird71
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    Don't worry - Theresa is telling 'em. No deal is better than a bad deal. That'll put the Great back into, um, the United Kingdom.

    Altogether now...

    Land of hope and glory,
    Da da dadada daaaaa
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  12. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Exactly, I'm really pleased you share my point of view :D
  13. Timmers
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    Its a fact, "no deal is better than a bad" deal.

    We'll survive I'm sure, we will still have food on the table :)
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  14. Markham
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    But that's precisely what you go on to do .... look:

    You change the subject because you want to deflect people's attention away from what is going on right now in Europe ... because it's embarrassing.
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