potential work problems

Family members took on an institution, and were in the right, and won - they fought the law and they won, and probably saved lives - but the cost in money and time and sheer emotional energy is painful. I just want to be with someone, that's it. And my German is passable anyway, should I not be allowed to do Singh in Ireland.

As I can see with Mr Singh, institutions know how to obfuscate.

If I surrendered it, I would feel like a traitor. I've lived in England for a long time, and I respect it greatly, although not all of its laws float my boat, and its official attitudes towards education are exasperating! Honestly, I would feel that I didn't have the right to be here anymore.

I am of no persuasion - my athiest Yorkie mum told me it was all rubbish, and I believed her. Accent is a powerful thing in many troubled countries. Funny enough, I found that it was the Prods that generally gave me a harder time than the Catlicks. There used to be a serious inferiority complex towards anything English. But that was then, and this is now and the place is much more tolerant of English influence. And Polish. And chinese...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14245802

Hahaha.

IOM? Of course, wasn't it that bloke Finn MacCool/Fionn mac Cumhail? Wasn't there two cats on it, on the back of Joey Dunlop's bike, and when it hit the sea their tails fell off?

Ok, I'll shut up, I promise.

But...would I be allowed to do Singh in Ireland, or would I have to renounce being Irish for that to work?

Yes. Fin MacCool. To be sure.

Haha, yor roight thaer, Ted.

Right, just out of curiosity, I've just discovered that it costs £144 to give up British citizenship.

£144? For giving something away? The way I see it, there should be a flippin' refund! Seriously! All these admin charges, just to sit on someone's desk and get stained with coffee...un be lievable. There are charges upon charges in this UK system.

I feel like banging my head off the table. The whole thing is stupid.

Thats fine no renunciation required as per the HO response to What do they know link

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/surinder_singh_for_dual_british

I know its a lot to deal with Andy Its been a part of my life for 5 years now I realised its just a dance to learn the steps to as the HO change the tune we adapt and laugh

I love you Keith, I really do. I think that the whole correspondence is invaluable, and I will get my head around all of it.

I've emailed Mr Singh - I'm not sure that he can tell me more than you have, or he knows any more than he has published, but, well, you never know.

One thing is for sure, though, this potential Singh loophole will be closed one day, especially if enough stink is made over it. Then another will be opened...a dance, then, as you say!

The Mr Singh we free movementeers refer to was opening this confirmation of our rights in 1992 in 2007 a Mr Eindt got confirmation that once you have completed Singh and return to your own country you dont have to do anything to be qualified last year Mrs O v Netherlands had it confirmed that legal residency and an article 10 card was enough to be a Singher and from Feb this year any Residence card is all that is required to travel from anywhere to any European country without need of further visas so far from closing it its expanding.

Free Movement is the Fundamental European Citizens Right and we will never be able negotiate it away

Well that's brilliant they can't ruin it - without leaving Europe, of course. It's a much better way for some than the UKVI method.

I was wondering if you know - What visa would a Filipina need, after her marriage certificate, issued to her in Ph to get her over in a Singh situation? (probably the same one that John's friends wife got!) Would she need anything at all beyond that put forward in your previous link about The Idiot's guide to Singh in Ireland?

It would be a category c 90 day visa from the nearest Irish embassy
Consular Assistance Unit in Dublin
If there is an emergency, or if you need help and advice, you can also contact our Consular Assistance Unit at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade in Dublin on +353 1 408 2000

And her CFO clearance cert

Thanks again Keith

Mr Singh has kindly replied and had said that if I can prove that I worked in Holland, then I can exercise my right to roam and bring her directly here. I've asked him about giving up Britishness, out of interest.

Where is your Mr Singh based Andy?

No idea. Is that important? I gues it is if you mention it...

I think the recruitment company I worked for in Holland has gone out of business. Great...

OK, so I am sadly looking more and more and renouncing my British citizenship. I've looked a bit a the procedure, £223 (although I thought it was £144) and max 14 week wait. Well, that's easier than working abroad, and cheaper too, so hey...of course, if it works...

Would this definitely allow my future wife's entry into the UK under Singh once married? And how would that affect my future in the UK - if the worst happened, could I get benefits? Would I even get deported? I'm finding it hard to get the exact information on this, as well as all the implications.

It is sad indeed when the day comes that you have consider renouncing your British Citizenship, that is something I would personally never do under any circumstances.

Needs must I suppose.

Ireland is part of the CTA with the UK no issue with the social security system after 5 years as an Irish National you will achieve ,with your wife PR and can if you wish both become Brits

I have read that once British citizenship has been renounced, it cannot be reclaimed.

I read what you say, Keith, and thanks for confirming that. However, I doubt that Ireland's relationship with Britain will change in a hurry, and I will keep my National Insurance number and will obviously keep paying contributions, so beyond the personal annoyance of giving up my nationality (well, 'officially'), there is little to lose. However, I am not convinced that I will not be stopped on a 'technicality' by British immigration by using this method - nobody I have spoke to so far, and nothing I have read has given a definitive guarantee that this method will work - it 'should' work or 'I don't see why not' just isn't good enough, and it's not just my future at stake.

The Singh method, however, seems to be a more tried and trusted method. I am contacting the two Dutch places that I worked directly to see if they have a record of me working there; there is little chance that they would keep a record, but it's an avenue that needs to be closed, and if it can be proven, well it solves a lot of problems. If not, maybe I can create a nice working holiday that we would both enjoy...

i dont know why you dont just take a regular salaried job for six months--there was a tv item the other day saying a real shortage of permanent teaching staff in london.

Bigmac, I've said why earlier in the thread.

At the minute, I am doing the normal work of a primary teacher, in a very challenging environment, and will be doing so to the summer on an increased supply daily rate. It is increased because noone else wants to do it, and they had to offer me more to get me to do it. Why do you think that is?

A permanent job for six months is no good to Immigration - they would want to see me on a permanent contract. There have been cases where £19,000 and £20,000 a year has made no difference to them if job security cannot be proven for a number of years.

Ask yourself why there is a real shortage of permanent teaching staff in London. Ask why over 45% of new teachers quit after just one year. And ask yourself why the unions are always going on strike, and more strikes are in the pipeline after the election. If you think that's because of wanting more money, or because of bolshie unions, then you are wrong. In England - not the UK - teaching (especially Primary) is an almost impossible job in the majority of schools. This change has accelerated over the last ten years. Believe me, don't believe me, but really only the ones who suck it will see. If I was on the outside looking in, I would say exactly the same thing as you.

It's a matter of time before it becomes a full-blown crisis.

Oh yeah, and why should I jump through UKVI's hoops and ridiculous charges if I don't have to do so? Would you?