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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    so--are you saying a mutated virus, maybe living in a bat--took up life maybe in a pangolin--which in turn transferred to a human in wuhan last november, and already half the world is in a state of sheer panic ?

    on a side note--ive now heard ibruprofen should not be used to treat the illness.
  2. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    that is--brilliant.
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  3. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yes.

    Regards anti inflammatory drugs I've mentioned elsewhere on these threads that we probably don't want to be using them on this disease natural fever is probably best.
  4. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    just on bbc news--1543 cases in the uk--55 deaths

    thats 3.5%
  5. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i really do think we need to know the ages and medical history of these poor victims.
  6. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    The graph with all the horizontal lines is not mapping cases or people, it is a map calculated back from the genetic sequences of the virus samples which have been sequenced all over the world.

    Genetic sequences in DNA or RNA are like a digital code, there is a well established science of genetic archaeology of which this study is a subset, if you have a whole load of samples that have been sequenced you can work back using the code to work out which sample was the common ancestor even if you don't have a genetic sample of the common ancestor you can still say how many mutations would be required to reach it.

    That's why they can say with a very high degree of certainty when and how the evolution of this thing has progressed.

    Also note that Mike and others have been worried about these wet markets but this virus has clearly been in another mammalian species for a long time, I keep saying that these jumps are rare and the reality is they are extremely rare, it crossed in a wet market yes almost certainly but it has historically been a rare event for that to happen.
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  7. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    its thought there are 50,000 cases already in the uk.
  8. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yeah but we are not testing anywhere near the same degree as South Korea, the south Korean numbers imply a rate of 1% or so, the larger your test sample numbers the more accurate your predictions will be.
  9. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yeah probably.
  10. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Yes I don't like the now almost mandatory line "underlying medical complications" which is used to make us all feel better.

    Being overweight has also been stated as a risk factor in a couple of articles I've read, hypertension increases risk, any respiratory illness history seems to increase risk a lot, diabetes and cancer sufferers are at a lot of risk too.

    One of our directors is recovering from a year of cancer treatment which is very worrying for her and I have a friend whose daughter is in her early 40s and fighting cancer just now :(
  11. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Here is a link that covers ages but genralises about under lying medical conditions.
    I doubt that they will divulge specific patient illnesses as this would surely breach patient confidentiality.
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-deaths-what-we-know-about-the-uk-victims-11957568
  12. uklove
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    uklove Active Member

    My wife has Corona virus (according to the ambulance crew who visited when she took a turn for the worse). She has been ill for two weeks and there is no sign of her improving. I've never seen anyone so ill, she always feels cold, is constantly coughing, has zero energy and very little appetite. Over the counter cold relief drugs are doing nothing to alleviate her symptoms.
    I can't work as I've been told to self isolate by my employer (I travel all over the UK and work in labs or hospitals).
    I hope no-one catches it.
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  13. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Hope she recovers mate, very worrying time for you, one of my relatives has it and has been in hospital for over a week.
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  14. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I am really sad to hear this news about your wife, uklove and I sincerely hope that she improves very soon.

    Please let us know soon that she is over the worst and also everyone here will be wishing that you stay healthy also.

    May I ask you if you are in contact with the NHS and, if so, how are they helping?
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  15. uklove
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    uklove Active Member

    I hope you don't mind my asking but what symptoms put your relative into hospital?
    That is my biggest fear for my wife...our little girlie would go mad too
  16. uklove
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    The ambulance crew told us to ring 111 if we needed more help but at the present time there isn't any treatment other than treating a resulting condition such as pneumonia.
    It's so painful to see my lady like this.
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  17. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Thoughts are with you all at this difficult time.
    Stay strong for yourself and the family you will all win the day.
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  18. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    It should be difficulty in breathing, they seem to want to leave it that late, at that point she might need oxygen support, if they didn't take her to hospital they must think she's not at that stage.

    I believe Druk's elderly (mid 60s) relative had breathing difficulty.

    I am very sad to hear this from you and wish you both all the best.
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  19. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Very high temperature,coughing fit and she had difficulty breathing,she was put into an induced coma,hope your good lady is fine.
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  20. oss
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    Current advice is not to use anti inflammatory drugs, non steroidal anti inflammatory medicines, there appears to be evidence from France and Italy and possibly Iran that drugs like Ibuprofen, Asprin and so on are making the complications worse not better, reducing the fever is not helping your body to fight the virus as in most cases fever is the natural response to viruses and bacteria.

    Two weeks sounds like a long time for someone who I expect is quite young, I am not a doctor I cannot give proper advice indeed I cannot give any reliable advice, I am only repeating advice that I am reading and which I have been reading for 2 months now, but personally as a 61 year old I am on Vitamin D now and I would not take any fever lowering medicine like Paracetamol, I often haven't taken anything in the past either when I had infections causing fever.

    edit: I should say Antipyretic medicines like Paracetamol not just anti inflammatory.

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