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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. oss
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    It did the zoonotic jump last November, they are already tracking the mutations and the mutations give you a direct way to calculate back to the point at which it jumped species, originally from bats they think it jumped to us through the Pangolin.
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    Yes there is a strong chance of that but really we don't know how much asymptomatic spreading is occurring.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I think it's very easy to just say mum's should stay at home!
    What if mum is mum and dad?
    What if mum works for an unscrupulous employer?
    What if mum has a better paid job than dad?
    What if mum and dad wages only get the family income to the breadline?
    Lots of reasons for kids to be at home during this crises, equally there are a lot of reasons why mum and dad have to stay working.( mum is a nurse dad is away on deployment for example) the list is endless.
    Yes you could say if mum or dad croaked through infection but that again is hypothetical.
    No easy answer
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  4. Druk1
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    Idris Elba the actor has tested positive for the virus.
  5. bigmac
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    ive heard its been around since 2013.

    whats the connection between humans and pangolin ? or is that on the chinese lunch menu too ?
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  10. oss
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    You heard wrong.

    Like all viruses and all diseases it didn't pop up from nowhere but we know it jumped species late last year.
    https://www.bioworld.com/articles/4...-family-tree-to-battle-outbreak-and-infodemic

    The as yet unidentified mammal may be the Pangolin.
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    This is the genetic mutation timeline of this virus in humans, note the start of the graph on 3rd Dec 2019.

    https://nextstrain.org./ncov
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    The family history exposed by the genome sequences debunks another rumor, that COVID-19 crossed to humans from snakes or fish. Based on the genetic analysis, the likelihood is that the virus was transmitted by a bat to another mammal between 20 and 70 years ago. That as-yet-unidentified intermediary passed the virus on to its first human host in the city of Wuhan in late November or early December 2019.

    aah--interesting the virus entered a human host in the city of Wuhan in..blah blah

    and isnt it perfectly possible it entered human hosts in other locations beforehand ?
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    There is an international illegal trade in wild animals this illness popped up in Singapore with no obvious transmission route from Wuhan which is when they started looking at that trade and started to suggest the Pangolin as a possible vector.
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    This is a mutation timeline, that is what puts the time limits on it, this strain jumped species in Novemeber/December 2019.

    Read the bioworld link it's not so technical as to be impenetrable to the layman,
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    but the chart is of 533 samples taken between dec 2019 and march 2020. so the timeline had to begin then.
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    Malcolm the article states that the virus jumped from bats to some unknown mammal during the last 20 to 70 years, if that virus had evolved in that mammal species to the point where it could infect humans easily then this pandemic would have started then, otherwise you are suggesting that isolated people have been getting this highly contagious dangerous disease and presumably dying or managing to get better without any contact with other human beings.

    The date it was found is because that is when the zoonotic jump happened.
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    Check the other features of that site, it is mapping transmissions as well because these samples are not all from one place.

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    i'm suggesting that this virus could well have been around a lot longer than 5 months! who is to say it ONLY started in Wuhan--why not other parts of China--or other asian countries over the last few years. the scientific world still dont know enough about it to preclude anything at this stage.
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    See that graph, that's the graph of the evolution of the virus all it's mommy's and daddy's going back in history all samples lead back to that sample that is why it begins in November 2019, it is a timeline of evolutionary history that converges on that point in time, if they find a version of it that maps further back then fine it is older but that has not happened and I will bet you anything that it is not going to happen.

    edit: note obviously viruses don't have mommy and daddies but they change and evolve over time .
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    Theres an old saying if it walks,flies,swims or crawls its considered food,the Chinese will eat anything with four legs except a table.I used to watch the fishmongers cleaving the plates from a live turtles shell before chopping it up to eat,wanchai market is worthwhile visiting if your ever in Honkers.
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