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A million skilled EU workers see their future outside Britain

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by KeithAngel, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. Daveyw1988
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    The fact that the polish can return home and have there tax returned to them also is shocking ..shouldn’t be allowed...they paid it so they should not be able reclaim it....we can’t
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  2. Daveyw1988
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  3. oss
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    No they can't, if you are on an Emergency Tax Code you can reclaim overpaid tax the same as anyone else and that is what they are doing, this is related to the 3 month rule.

    If you imagine that they get all of the tax they ever paid back then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    If we did the same in Europe we would, could and can reclaim tax.
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  4. Stupot10
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  5. Daveyw1988
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    I work with various polish in my work...and yehhhh they have. Chance to claim it back...this is basic work..warehouse work...and yehhhh they can if they want...they have done it also when they go back home on holidays
  6. oss
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    So first of all are these Poles earning more than 12,500 pounds a year?

    Second how much more?
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  7. Daveyw1988
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    Yeh around £16,500. So they are pasting tax same as us...but there is something they can do to reclaim what they have paid in ...dunno how it works exactly..but I’ve worked with a few who have told me this those not just one person ..dunno if it’s because they aren’t citizens here or what
  8. bigmac
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    realistically--what are the unemployed supposed to live on--if there is no work--and no dole..?... what they get they spend and it all makes the world go round.
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  9. Daveyw1988
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    don’t take this the wrong way...but ....look at how Philippines does it....they have no work...look what happens
  10. bigmac
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    they rely on handouts from relatives in the UK--married to british guys--who send money back home. youve got all that to come mate.
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  11. oss
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    Yes but you are spreading disinformation as you "dunno how it works exactly".

    If you are put on emergency code you pay tax even if you have not earned anything in that tax year (UK rules) that means you pay full tax even though your tax allowance would allow you to pay less this is because they don't know what your tax code is.

    If you are in the UK for three months or less you can go home and later apply for some or all of the tax back because you earned less than the tax allowance you have in the UK.

    Any Brit in the same position can do the same, if you were taxed on emergency code you will get it back if you earn less than your tax allowance.

    So pray tell how much tax is your £16, 500 person getting back each year?

    And how much tax do you think they paid?
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  12. Daveyw1988
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    I’ve always believed in work and get
    i did mean more of the homeless there...who don’t have connections to people outside of there city etc :( I’ve seen some sorry states there...and I’ve also seen some here where I live also...it’s like home from home
  13. oss
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    So how many of the 1.3 million or so current unemployed are employable.

    We have more people in work than ever and currently a record low in percentage unemployed in the last 50 years probably, yes the jobs are crap and pay much worse than many jobs in the past but they are jobs.

    I would suggest that we are close to the limit of the employable in this society.

    So are these somewhat unemployable 1.3 million suddenly going to become useful?

    Are they going to become engineers, programmers or financial consultants or shopkeepers or hairdressers or bartenders and who are they competing with, I would suggest they are most likely to be competing with those in the street cleaner bartender or sales assistant role, and how many of those do we need.

    Now in many ways my assessment of the 1.3 million is really not nice, some of them will be doctors, teachers, professionals who one way or another have serious problems in their lives and in their minds but it looks like I am saying they are all useless.

    Well I'm not saying that but I am saying there are not necessarily roles for all of these people.

    You all seem to assume that it is the responsibility of the impoverished to create work for themselves instead of it being societies role to find a purpose in life for them.

    They are the 'disposables', but it is easier for us to blame them rather than look at our own good fortune.
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  14. Daveyw1988
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    A jobs a job end of day..albeit even toilet cleaner ..there's plenty of off jobs around...just UK people so lazy to do it..I've been stuck in same.job last 15 years..atrocious job...**** money..but again..I see it as work...many others think...oh well we to good to do that job...and stay on dole...yeh odd few try..but biggest part of them have up there own arse attitude
  15. oss
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    No they don't think we're too good for that job that's a stereotypical definition and it's wrong, you are making a blanket description of all unemployed people based on your own prejudice and it's not true.

    If you were right there would be many many more unemployed than you see now.

    So are you on £16,500 a year and if you are then you probably have a problem regards the Philippines and getting married and bringing her to the UK.

    How much is the 'dole' how much do you think they get as unemployed people compared to the job that you are willing to describe as 'atrocious', give me a number?
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  16. Mattecube
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    unless he uses inherited savings total banked over 6 months it wouldn'tmatter Jack squat what he earned
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  17. Daveyw1988
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    Yeh ...I was lucky enough to stay with parents ...and manage saved up what I need...money ain't problem..I've worked last 16 years since leaving school for it..never claimed Dole...don't even know how to either...just the thought of it is bad enough...I plan keep working until I drop dead ..and yeh never said everyone is the same? Never once. I did claim those that MOST...of who I know ...that's there attitude...the I'm to good attitude...damn..is even clean a toilet if it pays bills

    Fyi..never in my life have I had support financially from any family...what I have I've earned myself...they don't work either..so how could I imherit anythjng?..I've done it alone really...and.im pleased I have..
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  18. bigmac
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    the problem is---do we really want a sort of underworld society of folks refused state benefits-?---and turn to crime or the black economy.
    ive experienced it ...its not at all easy.
    or --how about the millions who dont have a regular salary--casual labourers---the self employed wheelers and dealers / sales persons ..or even worse--the zero hours slaves.

    its so easy to look down on the less fortunate when you enjoy a high salary and benefits--often at little risk if it all goes sour.
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  19. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    people have choices but if the choices are not a level playing field then you take the easy option
  20. bigmac
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    for too many the choice is--no jobs they can do..or no jobs at all.

    its easy to talk about re-locating--or re training..but a fortnightly giro is better than a bird in the bush.
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