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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Jan 6, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    Markham . Lifetime Member

    Bad news for arch-Remoaners like Nick Clegg, Ken Clarke and Peter Mandelson: popular support for the UK remaining a EU member is dropping according to a Saga-Populus opinion poll published earlier in the week. The poll reveals that if there were a second EU referendum now, more would vote Leave than did in June; overall support for Leave was up 2% and Remain was down by 1%.

    Further bad news comes to them from the new Speaker for the House of Lords, Lord Fowler, who has vowed that the upper house will not do anything to block or hinder Brexit. And Angela Smith, the Labour leader in the Lords, concurs: "We will scrutinise. We will examine. But we will not block."
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  2. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    That's good news,

    I'm already getting frustrated with the politicians and petitioners who are trying to block Brexit under one guise or another.

    We need to put an end to uncontrolled immigration and free up the beds in the NHS for British people and their families, I had to add families before someone said "what about your wife." :)

    Its all over the news today about how the NHS is struggling to cope, surely cutting immigration can only help, just like it will with other public services, common sense really.
  3. DJB
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    Well when we get that 350 Million pounds a week back for the NHS, when we leave the EU we will be sorted.... wont we ???
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  4. Timmers
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    Well, I couldn't agree more :)
  5. oss
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    I thought you lot didn't believe in opinion polls, or maybe that's just when they don't say what you want to hear?

    (I'm not including you in the 'you lot' DJB :))
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  6. oss
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    oss Banned myself as best i can

    Yeah and when the financial services sector, which we are way overly dependant on, doesn't get passporting rights and the knock effects to the Treasury and the wider economy dwarf that 350 million a week, well who the hell cares a price worth paying says the man above.
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  7. Timmers
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    So a few financial companies sensibly keeping their options open and looking towards Dublin and Frankfurt and the like for their headquarters is a signal the London financial centre will lose its passporting rights? It could be wishful thinking on the competition side.

    I do not believe they we leave, on that score I know as much as you but if they do then so be it.

    You'll survive, mark my words, worry not :)
  8. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I thought that Project Fear was over!

    Why is it that the failed EU seemingly works by threats and intimidation rather than reasonable compromise.
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  9. Timmers
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    After Brexit I think it is the time for all the remaining EU countries to have their own in out referendum to clear the air and to know exactly where each country stands I don't see the point of the EU continuing if it is just going to chug along with all this baggage its carrying, the EU is laden with mistrust and discontentment and needs to be brought to order or will implode before our eyes.

    I'm looking forward to the time when we can say "we had a lucky escape there getting out when we did."

    The EU is a tangled mess, surely even the most ardent re-moaner can see that :)
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    Project fear?

    Good god we are all totally screwed, if you imagine the EU is going to roll over and expect us to scratch their tummy you are in lala land, they will dictate the terms, and now that at least some of the brexiteers have realised that, they want the easy way out which is walk away and the reality is exactly that, that is all you are left with you have no cards to play, so now the revised script is that was what was intended all along, well it sure as hell didn't come over like that before the vote, the advertising was all they can't afford to lose us we are in a position of strength, total bull and it always was.

    We will be dictated to from now till doomsday, which might be sooner than any of us would like with the frickin nutter about to ascend in a fortnight.

    Pension purchasing power has been decimated this year, even with the offset through the current increase in value in equities this is something that is not going to get better unless some truly terrible things happen in the world.

    The real success of Brexit appears to be predicated in the future total failure of Europe, that's what you're all rooting for, so basically you are desperate for the total abject failure of a project that was designed to bring us all together after centuries of conflict and instead of trying to make it work you just want it dead, see what kind of world you have after that.

    I'm starting to hope I am in my grave so I don't have to witness it.

    And Timmers I was composing this before your reply above.
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  11. Timmers
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    I agree oss (yes I agree :)) that the EU will dictate the terms, its blatantly obvious really, that's why it is important for us to leave the single market (some access if agreeable) and leave the customs union, if the UK attempts to have one foot in the EU and one foot out then it will be a total disaster and yes we will be dictated to by the EU for evermore. The harder the Brexit the quicker and easier it will all be over.

    This is exactly why it is paramount we have a clean break and sever all ties once and for all, I do not want the EU to have a hold on the UK in any shape or form.
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  12. Bootsonground
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    Opinion polls have been wrong a lot in the last couple of years and it makes me doubt their validity anymore..
    I really believe lately that they are driven by an all left wing media and political narrative but there are also other reasons for them being so wrong these days.. Do you know what they are??
    The polls getting it so badly wrong probably began with the UK general election then followed by Brexit and the R.P election,and of course followed by the shock and awe of the Trump win in the U.S Presidential election where Hillary was some 10 points ahead a week earlier (according to the polls) .
    If you look at the threads posted on here prior to these events its hard not to see why the polls were so wrong in every instance ...
    (Thats a clue to my question above)
  13. Dave_E
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    How has our common market agreement of decades ago been transformed into a vile undemocratic ever encroaching political dictatorship.

    The great dictator...
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  14. Timmers
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    I think the pollsters had no idea how the people who normally don't vote were going to cast their vote especially in the UK referendum, the old codgers came out of the woodwork God bless em :)
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    Also people got so pressurised by the establishment project fear, political correctness, racist accusations etc, that it seems easier to just tell the leftie pollster what he/she/it wants to hear.
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    I think that the common market was just European Politicians laying a good foundation for a then secret mega structure where they could later consolidate enormous political world power on behalf of the banks..
    They knew that its facade MUST have the appearance of being a totally democratic institution as nothing less would be tolerated by the ordinary plebs like us that were to fund it via taxes..
    That`s why they designed the really complicated and confusing treaties which they finally consolidated with the treaty of Lisbon!!! Brilliant!!
    Democratic? Not on your nelly mate!
    E.U was set up from the beginning to be run by the worlds most powerful institution...The bank.
    When they say that money is the root of all evil,they were not joking..
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    The banking problem was global, and the people in the street conspired with the banks to make it happen, you all swallowed the notion that a home was not simply something you lived in but was an investment, so the whole frickin world embarked on a decades long credit driven spending spree debt fuelling debt vastly inflated house prices and the creation of the real fear in people that they would miss the boat and sure enough like every Ponzi it came crashing down and those that lost the most were the poor sods that got in late the home buyers in the 70's and 80's made a theoretical killing and are now sitting on vastly overpriced assets that their children could never afford in multiple lifetimes.

    Everyone wanted it, the party was a great frickin party while it lasted because gullible people will always vote for anyone selling them the myth they want to hear and the song being sung at the end of the millennium from the 80's onward was home ownership at all costs.

    It had nothing to with a worldwide political conspiracy and everything to do with ordinary people, politicians wanting to be elected, Joe Bloggs wanting a fast buck out of the property market, everyone buying into the notion that infinite expansion made sense.

    The whole bloody lot of you me included did it to yourselves and now too many want to find some secret conspiracy because it's too hard to admit that you might have had a part to play in the grand financial mess of the last 3 or 4 decades.

    Boots you personally have probably been very sensible with your finances over the years so have a lot of other people, but the vast majority haven't, you don't need to see spooks under the covers or round every corner they aren't there, there is no big fat controller sitting in his palace manipulating the entire world, there is just simple human dynamics stupidity and greed the interaction of forces that no one individual can ever control.
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    And the song you were all singing before the vote was, they can't possibly ignore us, we have the upper hand after all they are far more dependant on us than we are on them, project bleedin fiction.

    So for the pleasure of the selfish few the rest of us will likely have to endure decades of economic weakness and lack of security that we likely will never recover from given the other forces that will begin to take hold during the rest of this century, talk about making a rod for your own back, sheesh!
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  19. Markham
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    I challenge your assertion "the selfish few" when the evidence is quite clear, those who voted "Leave" outnumbered those who voted "Remain" in last June's referendum and as I pointed-out in the OP, support for "Leave" is edging upwards whilst support for "Remain" is ebbing away, albeit slightly and slowly. You appear to be blinded by EU propaganda that promises a land filled with milk and honey and fail to appreciate that Britain is the lead nation of a 52 nation bloc with a combined population of 2.3 billion - about 3 times more than live in an EU that has about half the number of members. That's 50 other countries the UK can make trade agreements with (I've excluded Malta as it may not be free to make such an arrangement) on top of the US, China and Japan. I suggest the UK's future could be very rosy indeed but it would help if the moaning minnies rolled-up their sleeves and make a positive contribution rather than jeering from the sidelines which helps no-one. After all, that's exactly what you'd be telling us if the vote had gone the other way, isn't it?
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    'The selfish few' are those whose agenda was end immigration whatever the cost, the people were given a very biased argument spun to placate fears that they were shooting themselves in the foot.

    You won, and we see the true colours now, you don't give a crap about the sustained damage that will done and you can all celebrate your victory from your ivory towers, well done enjoy the mess that will develop, but of course you will never acknowledge anything that happens that does not agree with your view.
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