Paris...........

I feel revulsion at the Israelis for murdering many children in Gaza. So do many other people in the world. That is why we had demonstrations in the UK at the time.

And yet you do have time to read and make replies here and to research YouTube for four new threads over in "Social Media". I too have young children but I was able to spend the ten minutes or so to read Andrew's recommendation because I retain an open mind and wanted to find out more.

But I guess you simply can't be bothered and will continue to believe that IS's motivations and objectives are the same as those of Hammas and Hezbollah. More fool you.

You are resorting to using the word fool. I rest my case and my estimation of you as a person diminishes.

It wasnt what you wrote I was laughing at yet I bite my thumb

There is hardly any room to swing a cat in Gaza, Dom, and besides the Israelis have been economical with the truth on many occasions.

Yes, such strongly worded language, you'd probably class my words as "hate speech".

And what case are you resting? Your belief that IS attacked Paris because of the plight of Gazans is COMPLETELY INCORRECT. IS has stated publicly that France was targeted because of French military action against IS in Syria and Iraq. And IS bombed that Russian plane because Russia was also engaged militarily against them. You may have read that a group of men with forged Syrian Passports have been arrested on arrival in Honduras: they were on their way to the US using an overland route favoured by South American illegal migrants. Those men may well have been preparing to visit some atrocity or other in the US. That there hasn't been a terrorist attack in the UK recently is a major miracle and no thanks to the treacherous Snowdon.

Now I really urge you to read that article. Please.

Are you seriously suggesting that the shortage of real estate in Gaza is an acceptable excuse for hiding lethal weaponry in schools? Are you an apologist for HAMAS?

Somebody else who believes Israeli propaganda

Come on guys. Everyone has a point of view and often it's two sides of the same coin. I don't think anyone here is seriously supporting terrorist acts and we all know that the actions of Israel in Palestine have been judged to double standard, but I would expect that were any members of isis to be reading this, they would laugh at the discord sowed among ourselves. I feel that the motives of isis are reasonably clear and the Atlantic article sums it up very well. I also feel that most Arabs hate Israel in a way that overrides their individual differences. And that most Muslims are not as extreme as the isis group which as correctly was pointed out, areally a product of Islam and commit these acts in its name. Maybe we need less heat and more light and air in the discussion?

Update

Paris attacks: Abdelhamid Abaaoud 'died in Saint Denis raid'

The suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, has been identified as one of those killed in a raid in Saint Denis, the Paris prosecutor says.
His body was found riddled with bullets and shrapnel in an apartment in the northern Paris suburb on Wednesday.
The Belgian national, 27, was identified from his fingerprints.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34867615

Dom, I don't think you are correct. "Must recognise" is something that no-one has the right to demand....What has happened many times in Gaza is one of the reasons for Muslim desperation, something that I believe was one of the reasons along with the collapse of Iraq that caused the formation of IS. As I mentioned before, we are not Muslims and I would suggest that you seek out good dialogue with some Muslims on your travels and ask them poignant yet empathetic questions and see what answers you get. The murders of children in Gaza does not sit very well in the hearts of Muslims throughout the world as well as with some non-Muslims.

The Atlantic article seems to suggest, perhaps quiet rightly that there is nothing extreme in Isis as a reflection of Muslim teaching rather a refusal to engage by the vast majority with the legitimacy of slavery ,crucifixtion (popular in Saudi as well) beheading etc

Markham,
I have decided to not read any more of your posts so don't involve me in any more of your posts. This will also help to keep the peace in the forum; something others here will appreciate no doubt.

Why? Do you find them too challenging?!

Dom, I have just had a good face-to-face coversation with a Muslim friend in Batley, West Yorkshire.
I asked him whether the killings in Gaza contributed to what is happening now and he said no. He said all his friends hate the IS and they are causing lots of problems to moderate Muslims in the UK, particularly to the more vulnerable women folk who wear more obvious signs of their religion.
He said the IS cannot be Muslims and that they must be brainwashed.
He is a moderate Muslim with a family.
I wished I could have talked for a longer time but everyone, including me, are too busy.
I am so happy to have the chance to speak to Muslims in the UK, something displaced expats are not able to do, so their world view is skewed. After 22 years of being an expat, I realise now that I needed a lot of time to reintegrate to life back in the UK.
Now that I am now living in the UK, I am very happy that my children are living in a multicultural society.