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Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Oct 11, 2015.

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  1. Markham
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    Like other Corbynites you confuse deficit with debt. Deficit is the difference between tax income and expenditure and sometimes called the government's current account; the debt - or National Debt - is its loan account. The point of Osborne's Fiscal Charter is to eliminate the deficit and, in times where the economy is growing by 1% or more, to operate a budget surplus - ie: tax receipts exceed government spending. By this means it should be possible to reduce the debt burden (the National Debt).

    Corbyn and McDonnell want to spend, spend, spend and "pay" for it by borrowing heavily and printing money (which amounts to the same thing). Not only will the current account be in deficit but, as borrowing increases, so does the national debt. A really nice legacy for our children and our children's children.

    Some thirty-odd Labour MPs disobeyed their leader's three-line whip yesterday and were either absent from Westminster entirely (which accounts for 16 of them) or abstained with the result that the Fiscal Charter was approved by a comfortable majority of 62. I very much doubt that will be the last rebellion by Labour MPs opposed to Corbyn's ridiculous policies - poetic justice really considering that he voted against his party's line over 500 times. Syria and Trident are two such issues where Corbyn's say won't have much sway amongst his MPs.

    This car-crash of an interview of Labour's City spokesman, Richard Burgon, with Channel 4 news took place last evening:



    As Guido Fawkes says, the "farting commie" makes McDonnell appear competent!
    There are approximately 8 million people living in the UK who were not born there.
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  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Great interview :lol:
  3. Aromulus
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    How can anyone vote for such a waste of space and breath..??/

    With opposition like this, the Tories will be in power for generations to come...............
    Some form of political stability seems to be assured.



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  4. Aromulus
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  5. KeithAngel
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    You guys must be really bored to be so interested in a party you dont vote for that in your views is unelectable reported on by the tory press:lol:
  6. Aromulus
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    As a tax payer of very long standing I do tend to worry where my tax money goes...

    I do realize also, that I cannot just retire next year, like I dreamed to do, as too many layabouts, benefit scroungers, bogus asylum seekers, people on a breeding programme that cannot afford children without recourse to claiming tax credits do need my contribution so they can keep on sucking everybody's blood.

    Yup, I am worried. Even If I don't vote for them, because I am scared that the great uneducated, unwashed may just screw things up by voting this shower in.
    I am not being elitist either.
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  7. Aromulus
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    Obviously he ain't really saying why he is giving the post up.............

    And funny enough it doesn't come from tory press.................
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    It's not just the Tory press which believes that Corbyn is unelectable as Prime Minister: there have been several columns published in the Guardian which take the same view.

    Your beloved leader ...

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    Jeremy Corbyn has called for the "complete rehabilitation" of mass-murdering communist revolutionary Leon Trotsky. He's signed a Commons motion demanding "innocent" Trotsky be pardoned, in spite of his violent history and long list of murderous crimes.

    Another name needs to be added to Labour's list of Despicables and Disreputables. Here's a clue to his identity:

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    Quite understand your angst, Keith, but reducing Tax Credits was a manifesto commitment; one I'm not wholly in favour of, it has to be said. However it has been voted on - and passed - three times in the House of Commons, by a majority greater than the government's actual majority, and is due to be voted on in the House of Lords today. Lib-Dem Peers are intending to scupper the Bill as Baroness Manzoor, the Lib-Dems' Work and Pensions spokesperson is to introduce a so-called 'fatal motion'. If her motion is passed, a constitutional crisis will ensue - as the Upper House will be breaking a convention dating back to 1688 under which the Lords can not override the will of the Commons on a matter of finance. In other words: no taxation without representation.

    Labour Peers are apparently not attempting to vote down the Bill for a simple and pragmatic reason: Labour will have hopes of forming a government itself at some point in the future, and won’t want to create a precedent that the Commons can be simply brushed aside by a House of Lords in which a future Labour government might well not have a majority. The Lib-Dems, knowing full-well that they will never form a government themselves, are under no such constraint.

    But the real question here is: should it be upto the tax-payers to make-up the wages of those employed by those who unscrupulously keep wages low?
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  11. KeithAngel
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    Really

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/budget-2015-watch-david-cameron-6033885


    And your suggestion is ?...... more anti union legislation perhaps or a pay freeze if you work for the public unless your an MP?
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    Works for me!! :p:lol:
  13. Aromulus
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    Whilst I feel for the people affected by the cut in tax credits, I also feel slightly incensed by the fact that my taxes should not be used to subsidize low paying employers and people that, thanks to the credits, reached a comfort zone and don't want to try harder to make a success of their sorry lives by looking for better paid employment, or finding a part-time position to boost the pay.
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    evading the question of your hero,s lies ? I had already realised that :cool:
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    Hero? Whosthatthen?! I don't think Boris has been even mentioned :rolleyes:.

    Of course you have answered every question and addressed every point about your leader ..... Not! :lol:
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    Whats becoming clear is that the country has a problem with the welfare budget. The Tories are (trying) to do something about it, but are labelled evil and nasty. Labour on the other hand are giving out mixed messages, u-turns and bluster. Is there another way? The system is broken, it needs fixing, but us Brits are masters of procrastination, so the issue will be forever fudged, fiddled and probably filed away for someone else to have a go later. But when that later arrives, guess what. No-one is prepared to take responsibilty for the issue, so it defaults to blame that/this party, as the elephant in the room keeps growing in size.
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  17. Aromulus
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    I don't know how "Indipendent" is the Indipendent but something tells me that not all is well in the labour camp as some want us to believe........

    It makes for some interesting reading.

    I don't think it is a conspiracy, just normal people seeing through some and unpopular dodgy appointments.
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    12189553_1062219843817928_956800504394285021_n.jpg George Osboune just got a nasty slap down in his leadership quest:)
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    And surprisingly Boris backed up Osborne saying the Lords should not have got involved, it would have been the ideal time for Boris to put the knife into his future leadership contender.
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    We do have a problem with the welfare budget it is a fraction of the size it is going to need to be very soon, in 10 or 15 years there will be huge unemployment in middle class white collar Britain because their jobs will have been automated away.

    The whole problem is that society as a whole is going to have to adjust to much less employment as a whole and nobody is thinking about that.

    Now of course you can ask well who will buy all the goods and services that are being produced by all these businesses that have automated their services and production facilities, well they don't know who will be buying or how they will sell their goods and services but it won't stop them automating the jobs into thin air, and it is getting hard to see what kind of work will actually need 'people' in the future.

    So something has to change to keep people alive and happy.
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