I look outside from my house, Jim, and I see many families in their garden - kids chatting and shouting; noises of life as best as people can make it. My two little ones were in the back also and we were also trying to be as "normal" as possible. My wife is singing to her songs, everyone is in the same boat, trying their best. Most people know things aren't good but they are trying to be as optimistic as they can be - this is the best way to live in my opinion and no amount of graphs, articles or data sets will change my optimistic outlook whilst I am living. Lots of people are defeatist and negative - what good can that do? Our family motto is "never give up" and that is the way it shall be for us. I am trying to be optimistic on this forum too.
I think I have made it plain that it isn’t all over for the oldies. Those that are vulnerable maybe, but as long as the vulnerable continue with a lifestyle that makes them vulnerable. Lifestyle changes have been seen to work quite quickly, in just only a month or so if sustained. Sure, older folk are more susceptible but old doesn’t necessarily mean metabolically unhealthy.
Did you read the link that Heathen posted. Immunity for those who have contracted the virus and who have recovered might not last more than a few months, like is the case for some other Coronaviruses. Quite a lot of people who tested positive and recovered get infected again. Are we going to assume that the second time round will be better than the first, the virus predominantly kills older people, if people can be reinfected time and time again, more and more elderly people are going to die, as well as a large number of younger people. No amount of lockdown is going to eradicate this virus world wide, and if this report from South Korea is accurate, and I would have no reason to doubt their reports and the results of their testing, then this becomes progressively a long term cull of the elderly. I might have been a bit flippant in the way I put it but no amount of optimism is going to defeat facts and if the South Korean report turns out to be close to the factual position, well draw your own conclusions. In over 40 years we have never come up with a vaccine for HIV, and we don't have any vaccine for the common cold, the difference is the common cold usually doesn't kill you.
Mike optimism is fine but reality is real, I don't see the point in blind optimism in opposition to the observed facts, I'd rather know what was in store.
I am not defeatist Mike, but if we don't understand how this virus works then we will never ever find a solution to it, if it re-infects people the whole problem just got a lot larger and there will be political consequences which will fall out of that. If it looks like a vaccine is going to take years to develop or is maybe impossible to develop there will be huge political pressure to return to business as usual except that we will be accepting as normal large numbers dying at home of an untreatable illness every year but we will adapt to the new normal. The pressure for that solution will come sooner than later because the alternative economic impact is so high as to be unimaginable to governments all around the world. We are only acting on the science because science is able to give us some hope of a solution, what happens when that hope is withdrawn, so do we still try to solve the vaccine problem or don't we, if it looks like immunity can never be achieved like with the common cold, then what is the likely political outcome.
Hi Jim, you seem to be concentrating a lot on your demise. Is that healthy? Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. You seem to be overly negative and I seem to be overly positive, I guess that's our differing personalities and we are too long in the tooth to change. I am starting to dread coming on here because it is mostly doom and gloom now. Life is hard enough without thinking even more about impending doom and death. We are ALIVE and not on our deathbeds.
well--i aint negative--i'm a realist. seems bloody obvious to me--that if we BELIEVE what the chinese are telling us--they have it all under control...so they must have the antidote. so--how much do they want for it ?
Coronavirus: six ways of turning anxiety into positive mental health habits : https://theconversation.com/coronav...ety-into-positive-mental-health-habits-134292
How not to panic during the coronavirus pandemic: welcome hard times like a Stoic: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-can-teach-us-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic
Oh dear, they started a much more draconian lockdown much earlier than anyone else in their own epidemic that's the antidote, the only antidote anyone has.
Coronavirus Anxiety: Coping with Stress, Fear, and Worry: https://www.helpguide.org/articles/anxiety/coronavirus-anxiety.htm Some good tips in those three URL's, Jim. Run in the garden with your kilt on and fart on the bloody virus
Any one of us is one month from our deathbeds right now Mike that is the reality, I don't care if I die I'm 61 I have had a good run and a lot of luck so far, but I don't have proper measures in place to protect my children hence I want to know from the data what the future might bring so that I can do something about it. If I catch this (and I do not believe that the fever the other week was this illness) I will have at most days to get a will sorted and witnessed and because of Ana's behaviour in the past I have avoided this very necessary task, now it has become imperative, in my case the solution would be a trust but they are complex and cost a small fortune to set up, cash money that I do not have, so the position is difficult.
Michael I do not have anxiety about this virus, I have anxiety about the future of my kids. You are reading something into my words that is not there my friend.
Local police are using a drone to break up groups not obeying social distancing or the lockdown https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...n/ar-BB12tUxn?MSCC=1586639059&ocid=spartanntp
If I am creating to much doom and gloom in the way I write I apologise Mike, but facts are valuable, facts and knowledge are incredibly important to me and always have been. I have no fear of the end of this individual story (me) apart from the degree of unpleasantness of the ending, I don't need a god or a faith, I have a cosmic level personal view of reality that makes be delighted to have been the window into a universe that I have been and it has been fascinating and will continue to be right up to the end sometime in the next 10 or 20 years with a bit of luck, but if it is June the 1st 2020 well so do be it I don't care.
Yes, this is the trade off I was referring to a few days ago. Thinking ahead. As we emerge from lockdown we may well start to live our lives differently with some form of social distancing still being retained. There will be areas of life where this will be difficult. But our lives will be different as we adapt to social distancing priorities with lockdown removed. The world will find ingenious new ways and also more simple ways of getting back to some normality, once the curve has been flattened, even without a vaccine. Some of these changes are beginning to happen already as we head towards a post lockdown way of life where partial lockdown will exist in some form or other. Denmark begins to demonstrate a way foreword: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52226763
The lockdown over here seems to be getting at people. A women shouting and screaming at her husband very loud, don't know what he did wrong, she must have lost her turn in the video karaoke.
The Crucial Explanation of How to Avoid Serious Viral Impacts - April 2020 Podcast. https://thefatemperor.com/podcasts/ This is all good stuff. At 16 minutes they begin to talk about introducing almost immediate benefits to be gained in radically strengthening the immune system. Not by any drugs (which make a lot of money for pharmaceutical companies) but by food. The topic and role of eggs and cholesterol is included. The question is posed as to why Mother Nature might create an egg that was going to kill everybody and putting the case for the opposite. There is essentially no carbohydrates in an egg so in other words nature deems carbohydrates to be unnecessary. They are full of cholesterol because cholesterol is a prerequisite for life. But that is a slight digression on the main thrust of Covid 19 immunity and diet.
