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  1. Bootsonground
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    Did Trump just play a masterful Ace card by blanking the GOP debate and holding his own highly televised event or will it make little difference to the republican votes in Iowa?
    Hmmmm.
  2. AndyRam
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    Trump's won the New Hampshire primary.
  3. Aromulus
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    If he gets the ultimate prize, the presidency, I can imagine Alex salmond doing a fair amount of derriere kissing and groveling...
    Admittedly, he is a bit of a loose cannon but with his xenophobic rethoric he may be able galvanize the majority of the americans into seeing it his way... Which could be disastrous, as they are already, in the main, very self conscious and brain washed from an early age into pledging allegiance every day at school..
    Every time I argued the "Land of the Free" bit, they seem to be stumped when one mentions the Native Americans, and anybody else's treatment if they don't happen to have a lily white complexion...
    Trump, is not the solution. He will be part of the problem.
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    I'll accept that bet. Although Trump is not the 100-1 rank outsider anymore I would have classed him as six months ago, I still think he has hardly any chance of winning and that the 3-1- to 5-1 odds against that the bookies are currently offering punters for odds on him being the next president is far too low. It's more like 10-1 to 15-1.Any amount you want. Let's say £100?
  5. AndyRam
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    Trump is 2.64 on Betfair exchange. He has the momentum and will take some stopping. Noone in his own party is equipped to stop him.

    If it's a straight race between Clinton and Trump...
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    put your money where your mouth is. Even if Trump gets the nomination - which I don't think he will - he has no chance of beating Clinton. It won't come to that but even if it does, he'll do worse than Romney, who didn't manage to take a single one of the major battleground states where American presidential elections are won and lost. In a general election Trump would be lucky to match even Goldwater who took only 6 out of 51 territories - never mind Romney, who was beaten soundly in 2012. It's very alarming for Republicans because they know that not only will they not win the really big states of New York, California, and Florida but if Trump is the candidate they'll probably lose Texas too. They are not imagining things by believing that if Trump gets the nomination it will be a disaster for the Republicans.
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    2.64 are lousy odds.

    You put your money where your mouth is, then, and lay Trump.
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    Your too late..I have friendly wagers at ridiculous odds from 6 months ago with REAL people with REAL money with REAL first and second names and I know where they live!...LoL.
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    The trick was to lay Trump at 14s on an exchange and now cash that in at 2.7. A tenner would have turned a profit of 40 * slaps head
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    Trump and Sanders win New Hampshire

    Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders have shaken up the US presidential race with decisive victories in the New Hampshire primary.

    Billionaire Mr Trump is likely to get more than twice the number of votes of the next Republican candidate.
    Senator Bernie Sanders, who beat Democratic rival Hillary Clinton by a huge margin, said his victory showed people wanted "real change".

    Both candidates are riding on a wave of discontent with mainstream politics.
    The aim of the primary race is to choose which candidates will represent the Republican and Democratic parties in November's presidential election.

    On Tuesday Ohio Governor John Kasich came second in the Republican vote, with former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Florida Senator Marco Rubio all vying for third place.

    New Hampshire is the second state to choose delegates in the long nomination battle following last week's Iowa caucuses, which were won by Mr Cruz for the Republicans and Mrs Clinton for the Democrats.

    The result gives momentum to the winners ahead of the next contests in South Carolina and Nevada

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35538361
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    Is it true Sanders is 'chickening out' hohoho...

    Would love to see him as President but that would be a big shock.
  12. whipster
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    Myth. That didn't stop John McCain in 2008 and it won't stop Ted Cruz this time. Nobody knows exactly what ' natural born citizen' is supposed to mean. It's never been tested in court. But not being physically born in the USA is not enough on its own to disqualify somebody.
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    Myth. That didn't stop John McCain in 2008 and it won't stop Ted Cruz this time. Nobody knows exactly what ' natural born citizen' is supposed to mean. It's never been tested in court. But not being physically born in the USA is not enough on its own to disqualify somebody.
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    I read that Arnie could not qualify to run because ha was not born in good ole US of A...
    Years ago Sheriff Joe Arpaio challenged Obama to prove he was born on US soil... The Hawaiian birth certificate looked so dodgy that he threatened to arrest him... Somehow he was made to back down...
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    Love him or loathe him you have to take your hat off to Trump, he knows how to play to the audience, he uses my old trick when many years ago I used to try and pick young ladies up, "tell them anything they want to hear."

    A very clever chap obviously using all his business skills that he has learned over the years, this is the only Presidency election I've ever been interested in, I am finding it quite amusing, maybe not so amusing if Trump gets the top job.
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    From this article I m fairly sure that Obama qualifies through his mother being American and him being born on US soil.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

    I never knew that it was 1959 when Hawaii joined the US, very interesting.

    Also fascinating that Obama Senior was a bigamist who married Ann Dunham while still married to his first Kenyan wife, one might suspect that all the fuss over the birth certificate was more to bring out the embarrassing fact that Obama Junior was effectively illegitimate, with a mum who married two foreigners and a dad who lied to his mum.

    I think from the timelines quoted that it is pretty clear that Obama is American would a late stage pregnant American girl travel elsewhere in those days, when international travel was harder, I doubt it.
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    It was John McCain, not Barack Obama, of the 2008 presidential candidates that was not born in the United States. Ditto Ted Cruz this time. They are believed to qualify as 'natural born citizens' - despite not being born in the United States - because a parent or parents, are US citizens.

    Even had Obama been born a few years earlier before Hawaii became a state, he would presumably still qualify as a ' natural born citizen' in the same way that almost everyone believes Ted Cruz does. His mother was a citizen.
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    Arnie isn't disqualified to run for president because he wasn't born in the USA. Neither John McCain, who was the actual GOP candidate in 2008, or Ted Cruz, one of the GOP contenders this time, were born in the USA either. Arnie doesn't qualify because, irrespective of where he was born, neither of his parents were US citizens and so he cannot claim to be a 'natural-born citizen' like John McCain and Ted Cruz can. And which Barack Obama doesn't have to, because it is indisputable that he, unlike John McCain and Ted Cruz, was born in the USA anyway. The only reason why there was all the nonsense over the place of Obama's birth was because he because he is black - even though he is a 'natural born citizen' anyway even if he had been born in Hong Kong never mind Hawaii, because his mother was a citizen. To his credit, McCain, Obama's opponent in 2008, never made an issue of it and never disputed that Obama was just as much as an American as him.
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    This is interesting stuff.. So in theory,Sir Winston Churchill could have run for U.S President after the war years..I believe he was a highly popular figure in the USA in those days..What a great speech he made in the U.S Congress!
    President Churchill!!
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    And Boris Johnson...........

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