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The facts about Islam

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Jimmy, Feb 23, 2015.

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  1. Jimmy
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    Jimmy Active Member

    First of all whether we like it or not there is no such thing as moderate Islam. If the texts are taken at face value in the Koran and hadiths there is no other way to interpret them. What we see happening with the lunatics of isis is just what the 'doctor ordered' so to speak. Of the many many terror groups including those in the Philippines is that they all follow a blood thirsty God. Some are just more cruel and demonised than others. What is clear is that Isis want to wipe out all other Muslims as well. They will be crushed in time by an alliance of other Muslims and America know this. I have a few Muslim mates who go to the mosque but I would class them as nominal like most Christians and are just in name only. People say the bible is a bloody book but The God of love only permits self defence in most cases. It's interesting to see that it wasn't just Jesus who said love your neighbour but it's found in deauteronomy 6 and 10 and Leviticus 19.
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  2. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    The God in the bible is a nasty piece of work. Your God wiped out all of humanity bar one family in a flood. Not someone I would choose to worship even if he were he real.
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    I don't agree with that synopsis, I was brought up Catholic and the god of the old testament was the typical creation of mankind, a spoiled little brat that threw a tantrum if not obeyed.

    Almost all of the gods mankind has invented are spoiled little brats in some fashion, however those that need the solace provided by devotion to one of these man made creations are welcome to their faith, it is not my place to tell them they are wrong one way or another.

    So where exactly does your certainty about the intrinsic 'negative' values of 'Islam' come from?

    To me there seem to be many many moderate members of that faith that are not trying to convert the rest of us but are just getting on with the observance of what they believe, give me numbers and documentary evidence that prove your hypothesis.
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  4. Jimmy
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    It comes from several verses that are easily pulled up via the Internet. I have read the Koran and studied the hadiths (commentaries). Whether a majority or minority follow the texts make no difference - it is what it is. There is no such thing as moderate Islam it has no foundation.
    As for the Noah question
    God destroyed mankind simply because it was out of control and evil reigned.
    He started over and then came to the conclusion that a saviour for this predicament was required. So, whether you buy into it or not a saviour was sent to redeem mankind of its sinful and evil tendencies. Hence the Christ.
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    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    If ISIS get their filthy hands on nuclear war heads, GOD will have to start all over again. Minus ISIS.:rolleyes:
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Moral guidelines in the bible, such as the flood, are intended to steer people towards living a good life, or do you really think that God pressed a button and washed mankind away?
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  7. Maharg
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    No. I don't believe that. But the bible says he did, and the issue was that the god in the bible is supposed to be a good god.
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I have Filipino Moslem friends. They certainly would not agree with this:

    There are some pretty grisly passages in Deuteronomy - try 20 21-22 - a woman who is found not to be a virgin on her wedding night shall be stoned to death outside her parents' house. We call this "honour killing", I believe..
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  9. Aromulus
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    It is getting a bit hysterical here.........

    Only one point from me on the subject.

    Christianity evolved slowly over the centuries, with changes to reflect the ages it was going through. And I am glad to say that all the cruelty that was endemic to many pages of the Bible, and various Books, by Tom, Dick or Harry, has gone and changed to messages of love and respect for all and sundry.

    I suppose they hate what we represent, because we have become soft...........

    I am probably wrong, as usual.........
  10. Jimmy
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    Of course he's good
    God is love (1 john 4v7)
    And sometimes true love has to be 'tough love'
    If you came across someone trying to harm others would you just stand idly by in the name of love - no - you would act in some way I would hope.
    God ain't no whimp and by his nature he requires justice to fit the crime just like any court in the land. If I believed in a heaven or hell and warned you unless you straighten up your gonna end up in hell would you say I was unloving?
    I would be unloving not to warn you.
    Good does not mean being politically correct. Love is truth. Jesus told us many times to discard our selfish ways and return to God.
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  11. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    I do respect other people points of view........ Normally.

    But.........

    This is going back to the Middle Ages thinking...........
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I dislike anyone posting about politics or religion here.

    "Jimmy" - you are a new member of this forum. You are presuming to instruct me, a man who grew up amongst Moslems, about a religion that you do not practice and about which you know little.

    You are using this forum to promote your own religious beliefs and trying to shove them down my throat.

    I find your actions extremely offensive, and if you do not delete this thread and learn some manners I shall report you to the moderators.
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  13. Jimmy
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    Jimmy Active Member

    Further back than that
    2000 years lol
  14. Jimmy
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    Jimmy Active Member

    No offence
    But I thought this section included religion.
  15. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    In that case, sorry to burst your bubble................ Times have changed.
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Please read The Rules:

    • No hate speech against people of a certain religion, race, sexuality or gender. Genuine criticism of religions or nations and their people is fine, but if hate speech is identified it will be removed.
  17. Jimmy
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    I won't labor the point. I love Muslims. I have Muslim mates. My 'criticism' is against the tenants in 'their book' that's all.
    apologies if offended.
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  18. Maharg
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    Which was exactly my point. The Bible also preaches brutality and death.

    If people wish to be religious then that's fine. It's their choice. But why try to elevate your own religion above others and try to belittle others? That's preaching and it starts to get on peoples' goats as you can see from some of the responses.

    It just seems an unnecessary thing to do.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    God......?
    Christ....?
    Saviour.....?

    All fairy tales......as in all religions.......no proof - all hot air.
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  20. Jimmy
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    I would only add - Islam is now implementing the harsher verses in present day action. As we see. No Christian resorts back to the former ways. It has evolved.
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