Pistols at dawn?

I always visualise him sitting at a walnut desk in his study,
with a bottle of "Don Papa" rum on the left hand side,
and a loaded revolver on the right.

Very well said, Rob

The other point - and one that Remainers loathe being reminded of - is that around 85% of those who voted at the General Election voted for candidates of parties whose manifestos included pledges to leave the EU - and that poll, conducted just one month ago, is the most recent true test of public opinion. And for the avoidance of doubt, that is everyone who voted for Conservative, Democratic Unionist or Labour Party candidates.

As an aside, I notice that KeithAngel is awarding positive "marks" to posts that support Remain and negative "marks" to those supportive of Leave. He is obviously at odds with his party leadership who absolutely definitely want Britain to leave the EU and its markets, courts and unions so that there can be no Eurocratic interference with its Marxist programme should Labour ever be elected.

Mostly for you Mark

Im not at odds with Jeremy at all Mark he keeps asking for my views

The people of Britain were asked - by the Prime Minister - to give her a mandate for Hard Brexit.

It happened that, because both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party have been taken over by extremists, the people of Britian were not offered a choice between Remain and Leave unless they voted LibDem, which is a minority sport.

What the people of Britain, offered Hobson's Choice by the respective gangs of nutters currently running the party political system, chose was NOT to give the Prime Minister the mandate that she had gone to the country for.

Because she is a nutter and her strings are easily pulled she ignored the result of the election, bribed the DUP with cash from her private money tree, aka the British taxpayer, and carried on.

Spin that, Mark...

Oh nothing to do with democracy, then. Cameron criticised Blair for his repeated broken electoral pledges to hold a referendum and, whilst in Opposition, Cameron said that the next Conservative government would hold a referendum "to settle the Europe question". His right wing held him to that pledge and, after the 2015 election, because he prevaricated, he was in serious danger of either losing MPs to Ukip or having them vote against the whip on key legislation. Those on the losinbg side claim the referendum was held to prevent divisions within the ruling party but in fact that die had already been cast many years earlier by Blair.

If by that you mean that not all Germans were Fascists then you'd be correct. But the vast majority supported Hitler and the Nazis which was an extreme ideology based on certain tenets of Italian Fascism and created by Hitler and his henchmen in the 1920s. Whereas Fascism - certainly in Italy - was a far right ideology, Nazism was on the opposite end of the political spectrum and was anti-big business, anti-capitalist, anti-bourgeois, racist, anti-democratic and anti-Semitic. It was also anti-Marxist but principally because it was a rival far-left ideology.

Because both Jeremy Corbyn, Theresa May and their MPs have all agreed to uphold the result of the Referendum, you're claiming that both the Conservative and Labour Parties have been taken-over by extremists. To an extent I agree with you but only where Labour is concerned and indeed Momentum intends to purge the party of all its moderate MPs; Luciana Berger and Thangham Debonnaire being just two of the 140+ names on its "kill list". However, I would suggest that your definition of the word "extremist" in this context encompasses anyone and everyone committed to uphold the result of the plebiscite. I know you - and your party - are opposed to plebiscites which makes Clegg's and Farron's pre-election demand for there to be a further referendum somewhat mystifying.

Prior to the General Election, your party, the Lib Dems, claimed to be the only party that truly represented the 48% of the electorate that voted to remain in the EU. So why did your party not receive around 48% of the popular vote at the General Election? Well yours wasn't the only party opposed to Brexit, the SNP: Plaid Cymru, the Greens and Sinn Fein were also opposed but nevertheless the share of the vote for all the parties of Remain is less than 15% - even combined you failed to appeal to all those who had previously voted to remain!

And would you be quite so condemnatory of Brown or Miliband had they been able to strike a pact with the DUP and clung-on to power? I doubt it.

Andrew understands alright, he's a very intelligent fellow. But like most of his Lib Dem fellow travellers, he can not and will not accept the result. Under Charlie Kennedy and many of his predecessors, the Lib Dems were sensible pragmatists occupying the centre left of politics; they were pro-European but did not obsess about the EU at every given opportunity. Clegg changed the party such that it takes its lead from the European Commission - the only body in Britain or Europe that Clegg truly respected and honoured. The Commission doesn't hold with the peoples of individual countries having a say unless what they say mirrors the Commission's viewpoint. I'm sure you remember Commission telling the voters of France, Ireland and Denmark to vote again when they rejected European Treaties in various referendums.

Given what befell the party under Clegg's leadership and since, it is hardly surprising that nobody is prepared to challenge Vince Cable who indulges in senile fantasy for the job of leader:

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The party no longer lives-up to its name and its fortunes mirror those of other so-called progressive liberal parties in the US, Poland, the Philippines and Hungary - to name a few.

Of course I don't accept "the result". Only a blithering idiot stands by and claps whilst the deeply incompetent and increasingly detested and despised Theresa May, under whose reign the Home Office degenerated into the complete shambles that we see today, guided by the deeply unpleasant Nick Timothy, obsessed with his fantasy of turning the northern working class into Tories by encouraging their prejudices, persists, despite the General Election, in ruining our nation, surrounded by the most despicable bunch of self serving back stabbing hacks in any Cabinet in history.

I challenge you - tell us something admirable about Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, David Davis or Liam Fox...

No need to admire them.
They just need to get on with the job of ensuring that the UK gets a clean Brexit, and that the British people are not shafted by the Brussels based elite.

I think our nation will not be "ruined" but optimism will abound once the EU shackles will be off.
The British people voted for Brexit and it is democracy in action.
Better to control ourselves than to be controlled by non-elected people.
I feel proud to have voted for Brexit and am optimistic that my children will enjoy the freedoms of trade in the future.

respect your right to that view Mike but I dont want the failed Neo-Liberal shackles of the Tory,s either for me after Greece the EU Institutions needs complete democratic overhaul not running away from, with some fantasy notion of "Independence" without a joined up adult approach to Climate Change,and it may already be to late, there is no viable future for our kids and grandchildren.

Enjoy the pink sparkly unicorns whilst you still can. You will wake up presently.

Did someone, what? where? wheeee.....

A little bit of mathematics as a substitute, Jim

I knew it would "float your boat", Jim