Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Have many members here started to read and believe what the Daily Mail prints?

Fairly obviously the "children" are not the target, innocent or not.

Not obvious to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dalu_family_killing

From the article:

Mohammed Jamal al-Dalu, a member of a Gazan police unit charged with protecting important people, was one of those killed in the airstrike. The Israeli army said that he was the target of the raid.

Mmm.

Well that was the Israeli army rather than the "West", and they have learnt to adopt a hard line attitude when it comes to dealing with the Arabs.

Anyway, talking about "innocent" children, I was surprised to read that one of the shooters in the latest Paris attrocity was apparently a 15 year old muslim immigrant from Syria.

** (Thread drifting off topic) **

I agree, it is a handful of muslin ASSHOLES,
but that is all it takes,
especially when they have widespread support among the muslim community.

You don't think this was a muslim terrorist attack?

I doubt that Emwazi would be the source of much or any intelligence. Even though he had a starring role in half a dozen or so execution videos, I doubt he sat at the IS top table. Had he been captured - ignoring the question of "by whom?" - we'd be handing IS a major propaganda coup in that they would portray him as a martyr and call upon their supporters to "rise up against the infidels" (ie: us). You might then attribute any resulting atrocities on British streets as being the consequence of our bringing him to trial. So we can't win and killing Emwazi by an surgically-precise air strike was by far the lesser of two evils and with no collateral damage.

I doubt we'll have to wait too long before Milne or his boss tweet that "Emwazi was an innocent victim caught up in a war of American imperialism."

No, of course it wasn't! It was a demonstration by freedom fighters who are pissed-off with the constant stench of garlic breath exhaled by their French neighbours. These freedom fighters are our friends, Corbyn will soon say and his new mot de jour will be "Hug-a-jihadi".

Joke lang.

This is the third terrorist attack on Paris this year; there would have been a fourth but it was foiled by police at Schipol - and not forgetting that a French national attempted to fly from Gatwick to Paris carrying two firearms on Saturday. Mae has shown me FB posts made by IS affiliates claiming to be in the UK and in the Philippines today, promising widespread carnage.

Mind how you go.

I agree Dom best not to smash the beehive and then complain when you get stung, personally I just love the smell of napalm in the morning.

dont know what he is on

https://d8s293fyljwh4.cloudfront.net/petitions/images/95711/hero/MiftnyD.gif?1417180224

Yesterday "our Jeremy" told the BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, that anti-terror police should not operate a shoot-to-kill policy on British streets in the event of a terror attack here:



Earlier he told ITV News that he questioned the legality of the air strike that killed Emwazi. So in Corbyn's twisted world, terrorists like Emwazi and the 19 who killed or wounded scores of Parisians on Friday evening, can go about their business murdering innocent people but the forces of law and order can not use lethal force against them. From that it follows that Corbynistas place a higher value on a terrorist's life than they do of their victims.

It also appears that Seamus Milne, Corbyn's Doctor of Spin, spent his gap year at a terrorist training camp in Lebanon. Or so Guido Fawkes has discovered.

I hear that the meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party earlier this week was a rather stormy affair. Corbyn repeated his earlier words to Laura Kuenssberg and told MPs that 'shoot to kill' is "dangerous and counter-productive". (Dangerous?! It is far more dangerous for us to allow terrorists to live so that they can kill. Counter-productive?! Why - because it takes-out those who would kill us and now can't?!)

One unnamed front bencher reportedly branded Corbyn "a f***ing disgrace" whilst his Shadow Foreign Secretary, Hilary Benn, refused to support his leader's stance and insisted that it was perfectly reasonable to use lethal force. His colleague the Shadow Defence Minister, Kevan Jones, added "No police officer takes decision to shoot lightly, but naive to think they shouldn't use lethal force to protect public."

MP John Mann, whose niece was working at a bar next to one of the restaurants which was targeted and "spent an hour in a toilet thinking she would be shot dead". He told Corbyn "I expect if there's an opportunity to shoot dead any terrorist I expect security to shoot them dead – as they are entitled to do under the law."

Corbyn was not clapped at the end of his speech – not even by his supporters - which indignity has not befallen any leader before. He was also urged to withdraw from guest speaking at a festive fund-raising dinner for the Stop The War Coalition following its public blaming of the French military for the Paris attacks. He refused to give such an undertaking and is still listed as guest of honour.

After the meeting Ben Bradshaw tweeted 'Please tell me it's not true Jeremy has said that faced with Kalashnikov wielding genocidal fascists our security forces should not shoot?" whilst Chris Leslie, the former Shadow Chancellor, told reporters "'It's surely obvious to everyone that the police need the necessary powers to keep our communities - and themselves - safe". According to the Mirror one Shadow Minister at the Westminster gathering said "He doesn't answer anything. He got roasted, he’s a f****** disgrace." And another Labour MP told reporters "The dissent was unbelievable. The leader and his shadow foreign secretary addressed the same meeting giving diametrically opposed speeches."

Corbyn's spokesman insisted only a minority of MPs spoke out against their leader; other insiders described Corbyn as losing his temper and getting 'hot under the collar' during the Parliamentary Labour Party gathering. But his one time squeeze and pillion passenger, Diane Abbott, Labour's Shadow International Development Secretary, apparently sat writing Christmas cards during the 70-minute clash. An insider told the Mirror "She wasn't listening to the questions, just writing a big stack of Christmas cards. It was deeply disrespectful."

I had hoped he'd triumphantly lead Labour into a glorious defeat at the May 2020 General Election. At this rate he'll be lucky to still be leading the party for next May's local elections. As the Times columnist Rachel Sylvester wrote yesterday "It is no coincidence that the Labour party is piling up new members in wealthy areas such as Islington and Hampstead, where the liberal intelligentsia can afford to use their politics as a kind of ideological spa break to purify the soul. But Mr Corbyn is much less popular in the industrial north, where poorer voters want a Labour party that stands a chance of being elected to change policies they see as a threat. The Labour leader’s opposition to Trident and his description of the killing of Osama bin Laden as a “tragedy” have a strictly chattering class appeal — as one northern MP says: “The market traders in my constituency think he’s unpatriotic and doesn’t like Britain.”". I agree.

Leadership election before May?

I'm so niggled that they are twisting Jeremy Corbyn's words. I heard on the Today programme what he said verbatim, and it sounded fine to me. He just said he was uncomfortable with a POLICY of shoot to kill. (Incidentally you have to ask: who would want a prominent politician who was COMFORTABLE with such a policy?).
Then they had Hilary Benn on, and he too sounded pretty normal, and supportive of Corbyn.
Now at 1pm the headline is that Hilary Benn is 'distancing himself' from Corbyn - what, by saying " I can't speak for Jeremy"? They really do milk any disaster and use it for their own ends.

The words I quoted that are attributed to Corbyn are widely reported as having been spoken by him - and not just by the highbrow Tory press but by the BBC and the Mirror. The Mirror also gives a fairly damming report of his performance at the PLP meeting the other night. So if you're "so niggled", it's your chosen leader and left-leaning media that actually niggle you; nobody else.

Alistair Campbell tweeted "As May showed you cannot win a general election if behind on economy and leadership. Add security as a negative and it is rout time."

What you quoted was 4 words

The number of words may only be four but they are highly significant. Why do you think that the PLP is so angry at him, including some of his Shadow Cabinet? With every utterance he makes Labour's electoral chances diminish. The way things are going, Ukip will replace Labour councillors in the north and those in the south will be hoovered-up by the Tories and Lib-Dems: Labour stands to be routed in the local elections and will likely lose all its MSPs too. It will only be the comparatively affluent north London left-leaning intelligentsia, who think a Lenin cap is next year's must-have fashion accessory, who'll be voting Labour. Everyone else believes Corbyn is unpatriotic and dislikes his country.

Do you really think people will vote for a revolutionary? They'd be voting to end democracy because revolutionaries who come to power are invariably dictators.

Used six of your words