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Labour's Disreputable Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Oct 11, 2015.

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  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Thats brilliant not long before the Scots will be able to command a referendum:D
  2. Markham
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    What is it about the far left that they want to break up the United Kingdom?
  3. Markham
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    John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor wants to disarm the Police completely, disband MI5 and scrap all specialist Police squads such as those that investigate frauds, murders and paedophilia. He reportedly signed a letter to that effect penned by the so-called "Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory" shortly before the General Election in May, the only MP to do so.

    Fast forward six months and the recent bombings over Sinai and in Paris and lo and behold, he's suffering a bout of amnesia; his spokesman said "This is the first time John has ever seen this letter and certainly never signed it." He declined an invitation to be interviewed by Andrew Neil on the BBC's Daily Politics and it was left to Corbyn's former squeeze, Diane Abbott, to face the cameras. Diane began by insisting McDonnell never signed the 'disband MI5' letter and that the story "may well not be true".


    The problem for Abbott - and of course McDonnell - is that he was photographed holding the letter which the campaigning group published on its Twitter feed:

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    And his name appears as a signatory on the group's web site.

    A lying politician - who'd have thought it?!

    Incidentally, one reason why McDonnell is the only MP to sign that letter might well be their rejection of one of its demands: "MPs should only be paid a worker's wage."
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  4. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Maggy did that years ago, hows your "squeeze"?
  5. Markham
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    She's very well, thank you, Keith. Sends her love. :)
  6. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    It seems that the take over of constituency parties predicted by those of us who remember the Labour Party of the 70's and 80's is now under way. Entryist Trots and their "useful idiots". Deselections will follow.
  7. Markham
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    Indeed; Simon Danzcuk will likely be the first of the many. He, Frank Field and Emily Benn face the possibility of expulsion from the party if left-wing activists get their way. So much for the kinder politics Corbyn promised!

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    Corbyn's Labour neither appeals to nor cares about the blue collar workers of the north and Midlands, with whom it is completely out of touch. Its hard left used to be known as "Militant Tendency" but they've been replaced by "Momentum Limited" operating out of an up-market chic flat in a block otherwise inhabited by yuppies, bankers and brokers - très convenient for Islington and Hampstead, less so for Wigan and Warrington.
  8. Methersgate
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    I doubt if even the Trots would be mad enough to deselect Frank Field. He is sitting on a majority of over 15,000 in Birkenhead, and would romp home as an Independent, assuming that he did not re-join the Tories (trivial, little known, factoid - Frank was a Young Conservative but resigned over apartheid!)

    As to the Hon. Emily Benn, she has a career in banking, and is very young...
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  9. Markham
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    The BBC today asked Corbyn whether Labour MPs would be given a free vote on military action against IS in Syria; he said that they would not. Labour would vote as a party. But just two years ago, when he was a rebel backbench MP, he gave quite a different response during a Commons debate marking the tenth anniversary of the Iraq war. Caroline Lucas interrupted Corbyn and asked him "The hon. Gentleman is making a wonderful speech, as we knew he would. He spoke just now about the importance of having a vote before war. Does he agree with me that it should be a free vote—that we need to be voting from our conscience, not from the Whips’ list?".

    Corbyn responded by saying "Absolutely. On something so fundamental as the deployment of armed forces, a free vote is the right thing to do. Many have said it is easy to send other people’s sons and daughters off to die and then hide behind a veneer of party loyalty, but the issue is much bigger than that." Now that he is leader of the Labour Party, he wants his MPs to vote according to his conscience and not be free to vote in line with their constituents' wishes.

    Jeremy is nothing if not inconsistent; it's all about him!
  10. Markham
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    The pressure on Corbyn is mounting! In ten day's time, the voters of Oldham West go to the polls to elect their new MP. Corbyn's frontbench critics have warned that if Labour's 14,738 majority is overturned by Ukip - and there's every chance of that happening - then they will table no-confidence vote among Labour MPs and there'll be a mass resignation of Shadow Ministers to force Corbyn out. Corbyn will then have the dubious honour of being the shortest serving elected leader in the history of the Labour Party, having not even survived a full three months. Hilary Benn is the bookies' favourite to become the party's interim leader.
  11. Aromulus
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    let's not get carried away.........

    It is a huge margin, and I mean huge....
    Granted, it will be considerably dented, but not beaten.

    The only way for UKIP to take the seat is through voter apathy, and people not turning up....
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    Yes, Michael Meacher did have a huge majority. But Ukip beat the Tories into second place and the party is throwing all its resources at this By Election. Labour's own canvassing returns are showing that less than half of those who voted Labour in May will vote Labour this time. No prizes for guessing why - Jeremy Corbyn: he simply isn't trusted by the northern working class. According to a party worker "They [the Oldham electorate] think he’s more concerned about issues that don’t affect working-class northerners and they have also been put off by his failure to sing the national anthem and see him as unpatriotic."

    Labour activists fear a collapse of support for them and tactical voting by Conservatives could inflict a humiliating defeat on Mr Corbyn.
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    Oh dear ... at the end of the worst week for Labour ever ...

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    Corbyn has been a disaster from the word go. His PR is a total mess, he's giving out mixed messages, he's not showing respect and just to top it all, the very people who put him there are not happy. What made me laugh is that he insists there will be no dissent when it comes to voting for any possible air strikes in Syria, he insists the party will vote as one - but then how many times did he defy his own party whip over the years? In the light of the recent atrocities in Paris and Egypt, people want answers, this is where Jeremy is lacking. British politicians are under so much scrutiny these days, and I'm afraid Jeremy comes across a bit of a hypocrite in places. How did Tony Blair win back in 1997? With a new, invigorated Labour Party who stood 100% behind the leader. In just a matter of a few months, Jeremy does not have that authority at all, every day the voices get louder. Labour would do well to elect Hilary Benn as the new leader, asap as far as I'm concerned so they have a fighting chance in 2020. Apart from that, an opposition with a weak leader makes for bad democracy - we all know remember how the Tories (mis)behaved in the 80's and 90's when they were winning with huge majorities and basically had no restraint in the damage they did to the country.
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    Here's Jeremy being skewered today by his own words on defence:

  16. Methersgate
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    Corbyn commands 60% support amongst the people who actually elect the Leader of the Labour Party - that is to say, members (and "£3 supporters") of the Labour Party. So he will be staying.

    What I think has happened is that am attempt to copy the Conservatives in toying with "US Style" "Primaries" actually backfired and allowed the Trots back in.

    "Momentum" looks remarkably like the old "Militant Tendency"
  17. Aromulus
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    If it walks like a duck. Squawks like a duck and looks like a duck it is definitively a duck...
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  18. Markham
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    In Parliament yesterday, as Britain teeters on the brink of World War III – with a Russian jet shot down by NATO, terror threats against national leaders, the EU capital in lockdown, an apocalypse promised on the plain of Dabiq by 30,000 death-loving jihadis – the Leader of the Opposition questioned the Prime Minister on subsidies to solar panels!! It was left to the Leader of the Real Opposition, Angus Robertson, to ask the really important questions at PMQs!

    Labour unfortunately harbours than one limp lettuce and later in the afternoon, McDonnell rose to reply to the Chancellor's Autumn Statement and proceeded to quote from Mao Zedong's Little Red Book to jeers from the Tory Benches and stony-faced silence and embarrassed looks from his own.

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    He then tossed the well-thumbed volume across the dividing table to Osborne opposite who picked it up, opened it and remarked "Oh look, it's his personally-signed copy!"

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    Mao: the spoilt, whiny son of a wealthy landowner who kicked about doing absolutely nothing productive until communism presented him with the opportunity to seize power and enslave millions of people. No wonder Corbyn and McDonnell admire him so.

    Any moment Jihadi Jez and Jihadi John are going to go "Allahu Akbar" and blow up the Labour Party. :lol:
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  19. Methersgate
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    Very well known anecdote in China:

    Khrushchev to Zhou Enlai:

    "I am the son of a peasant. But you are the son of an aristocrat!"

    Zhou to Khrushchev:

    "And we both betrayed our class!"
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    Labour's woes worsen as McDonnell takes up Corbyn's loaded revolver and shoots the party in the foot, again and again. Be it through dementia, selective amnesia, ignorance or intentionally, McDonnell overlooked the fact that Chairman Mao's leadership caused the greatest genocide the world has ever witnessed. Far, far greater than that visited on mankind by Hitler, Stalin or all British Prime Ministers and American Presidents combined. So quoting Mao's words of advice to Osborne could easily be viewed as being supportive of, or an apologist for, Mao Zedong.

    Several things happened as a result that added to Labour's PR nightmare.

    Firstly McDonnell minions edited their YouTube video of his speech to remove the almost ninety seconds that recorded the Little Red Book incident. Here's the Labour Party's now-edited official record:


    and here's the missing ninety or so seconds:


    Seema Malhotra, who is McDonnell's deputy in the shadow treasury team, appeared on BBC 2's Newsnight that evening where she was asked about McDonnell’s bizarre decision to quote from the writings of Chairman Mao. Malhotra was forced to concede that she wasn’t even consulted by the Shadow Chancellor about whether or not it was a good idea to quote from the writings of one of history’s most prolific mass murderers. Not like Labour to roll out an idea that hasn't been properly reviewed - shades of the Edstone!

    Meanwhile her boss was quizzed by Ben Brown on BBC News where he rather unconvincingly back-peddled by saying "of course I condemn all that" and tried to pass-off the incident as a joke.

    But worse was yet to come for both McDonnell and his party.

    He was invited to appear on Radio 4's Today programme yesterday morning to defend his "Mao Joke". He was condemned by Chinese author Diane Wei Liang, who was sent to a labour camp as a 3 year-old and forced to quote from Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. McDonnell boldly claimed that he had spoken to Liang off air, and that she told him that she understood his "joke": "I just had a chat with that young lady – that lady – and she said 'actually I understood the joke'."

    But that's not how Liang recalled their brief exchange of a few minutes' earlier. She told told the Today programme that she absolutely did not understand it, and that as a labour camp victim she did not find it funny at all: "Not I can understand perhaps because of my background. I grew up in China and to me it was not very funny and I rather think it’s not funny for the millions of people who died during Mao's regime, nor for those who lived through those times."


    Add blatant lying to the list of "crimes" perpetuated by the Labour Party leadership.
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