In the name of Islam

Good point.

Can't imagine that the 2 who killed Lee Rigby last week were capable of writing in English let alone Arabic. The sort of people who are being radicalised in this country at the moment would IMO come from the lower end of the educational scale and be more inclined to do silly things like defacing war memorials. The same sort of numbskulls who would attack a Mosque.

If you want a strong government that's prepared to tackle the issues facing Britain today then it has to be formed from a single party or a coalition of parties with similar ideologies. You say you don't want a Tory government: fine, then be prepared to accept a Labour one with tax-spend-borrow-spend as its agenda. But since Labour has, if not created then definitely exacerbated, the problems Britain faces, I can't see that that would be a good solution either.

I am so glad they seem as thick as two short planks.
If they ever get someone in their leadership who has more than half a brain, we should be worried.

Oh dear, Daily Mail-esque stereotyping.

If you were to read-up on those who did the 7/7 attack on London's tubes and bus, the Glasgow airport terminal bombing and the killers of Lee Rigby you'd find that they were better educated than many in the UK. And all at UK tax payers' expense.

Whilst I'm pretty certain EDL was responsible for defacing the Bomber Command and Animals at War memorials, there remains a slim chance that it could have been Islamist sympathisers. A double-bluff if you like.

Thats the whole point. I don't want a so called strong labour government either. For the same reasons I wouldn't want a "strong" conservative government. There would be nothing strong about either except "strength" to do as they please regardless.

There is no reason why one should see the options as either Tory or Labour. That is an old and dated mind set. It doesn't have to be one or the other and surely shouldn't be.

Not that I'm advocating a strong Labour Government but wasn't it exactly that what ended the last major terrorist problem we had on mainland Britain.
All I see in the news today is a Tory Foreign Secretary praising the ending of an arms embargo on Syrian rebels enabling us to now arm another bunch of savages and future terrorists. Have we not been here before with Bin Laden

I see a UK government as a representation of a package of policies and the problem is getting the government that offers the best package. A "strong" labour government would not provide the best package for me nor the core of most folk in the country.

And one great thing about getting off the 2 party system is that it knocks the corners off the end product.

A goodly number obviously disagree with you given that Labour is still ahead in the opinion polls.

Given UK's 'first past the post' electoral system for Parliament, either the Tories or Labour will make up the majority in any government and I believe that system, though flawed, is the best. Not that either party is ever likely to change the Parliamentary voting system and why would it? Politicians are mostly self-serving and want their 5, or more, years in power.

Well that's the problem and the inherent weakness of multi-party governments - coalitions - too much time is spent on in-fighting that the country's problems are never effectively tackled.

The problem with the 2 party system is that although the problems are tackled they aren't tackled effectively. Are they?

So are we saying that with the 2 party system we get strong incompetent government?

So thats it. Why not give Boris a go. At least we will have some fun along the way.

The present government has had to take on the legacy of gross financial mismanagement, unfettered immigration and a failure to negotiate reasonable terms with Brussels, all thanks to an incompetent, pro-PC so-called New Labour administration. It is unable to take a strong stance and rectify the country's ills due to the fact it is in coalition with a party that is more PC oriented and politically to the left of Labour.

The country is in danger of free-wheeling from one cock-up to another and because no party is actually paying attention to the electorate, left and right wing extremist groups arise and become popular. Many are so disenchanted with the failure of governments to listen and learn that their only recourse is direct action.

That is the danger Britain faces and it needs strong governance to quell. London faced a very similar situation a number of years ago which sparked-off the Brixton and Ealing riots.

Yep. Ever since Thatcher, we have had government after government of self-serving and self-indulging incompetents.

No, not all. The electorate gets the government it votes for.

No it doesn't. It often gets the government that it hasn't voted for.

And I don't agree that Thatcher acted in the best interest of the country as a whole or the countries future. She was strong yes. But in her case the strength was used inappropriately in a number of ways.

York Mosque praised for offering EDL protesters tea and biscuits :vhappy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-22689552

I can just imagine those idiots being completely flumoxed by the generosity of people in the mosque.

Nice one!

You seem not to understand my use of the collective noun, so I'll elaborate:

The electorate gets the government it votes for but many voters may be disappointed by the result and those who don't vote have no just cause to complain. How's that! I appreciate that you have no alternative but to accept the make-up of the government but there again, that's your choice - I don't believe you were forcibly exiled to the Isle of Man!

I never said that: she acted solely in the interest of Conservative Party backers. She claimed Euro-sceptic credentials but she - like every Prime Minister since - refused to hold a referendum on Europe. Thatcher exported British jobs to Poland, Germany and elsewhere but did nothing to replace them. Under her, the rich got even richer and the ordinary working man - many of whom voted her into power - lost their livelihoods and their pensions (remember that scandal?). Thatcher is not one I would profer as a shining example of leading a good strong government.