In the name of Islam

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For all those peace-niks, liberals who seem intent on denying the obvious...... here is a news show with the full transcript of one of the two Islamist Fanatics who be-headed the British Soldier in London. You must surely question the implementation of a gagging order placed upon the British Media as none have made mention to the full version whereas we have all seen the short version. You watch it and make up your own minds.

Whether people want to accept it or not the fact is that there are many people for a number of years talking of the violence to come upon the British streets. Violence akin to open civil war split along our fabulous line of Multi-Culturalism.

As a former British Soldier myself it angers me enough to the bone to change my tolerance levels and ready myself for the day that we finally take arms against this scourge. I still work amongst a huge number of Military Veterans providing our 'services' in the Middle East and Asia and my view is echoed by each to a man.

Additionally, here is a good read by a German national who made good his view on the world situation, his references to past history are accurate and clear.


The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,... owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people..

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem (see the attachment), just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.

And we are silent..........

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The average Brit isn't a warmongering sadist......

Religious in general is a dangerous path to blindly follow. Once you have people believing and blindly following a religion, you have them under your control. It is so easy to abuse positions of power in the name of religion, the religion can be interpreted this way or that, if you follow the religion as a true discipline you should follow us etc....
The average Islamic person I know is a good hearted person, but I do believe that the religion is being twisted in certain countries (Pakistan in particular) to suit certain peoples beliefs.

I am very very tired of having the word "Islam" twisted to denote ONLY the Wahhabi interpretation of the Sunnah favoured by Saudi Arabia or the version of Shia Islam favoured by Iran, as if that is all that Islam offers.

Many branches of Islam have a tradition of keeping themselves to themselves - when did anyone last hear anothing about Sufism? (Well, I know the answer in my case - a Sufi shrine being vandalised in Tripoli Libya by Wahhabists and Sufi tombs being wrecked in Timbutu by the same people.0

The halal approvals come in the main from Malaysia, which has set up a cottage industry in halal certification; this does not bother me at all - if a bar of chocolate made by a western multinational can be sold to Moslems, why not?

Totally agree.

I work for an organisation of which around 1000 of my colleagues are primarily Ibadi and the remainder Sunni, with just circa 10 expats, in a country which is Ibadi/Sunni split, and have been treated with nothing but respect at all times. The country is moderate, educated and peaceful. I see no riots on the road, no poor people begging and no islamic fighting between the denominations. I can drink behind closed doors or in one of the many pubs (where behaviour is monitored, and those who play and drink peacefully are left in peace) and can live comfortably. Countries like Malaysia, the UAE and Qatar have few problems. But why is it that in other places where the religion is strictly enforced on the people that some become radical...

The countries where people have a freedom to choose religion, and can live as non practicisng muslims seem to have less problems. Why the UK attracts certain people who dislike the way of life, I never shall understand.

Posts 6 and 8 above.

Thanks for further insights into the various Muslim religions. I have to confess that I have never fully learned the differences in this field of religion, despite having lived and worked in Libya and Kuwait and Indonesia. However I do know enough to know that it is not right or sensible for any of us Brits to take it out on the Muslim world in general or encourage anybody else to, for any atrocities caused by a minority within the Muslim world.

I notice that the link at the top in post 1 doesn't work. Maybe it was this that you were aiming to link to? Though it isn't the source of the material in the post itself.

Sun News video on the Woolwich incident? I can't find it again....

Later..... Got it. A Canadian news channel:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130524-071638.html

We certainly do. And it is how such radical changes are achieved or implemented that make for the differences of opinion up and down the UK.

I agree absolutely. Blair, Brown and Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes at the Hague.

Yep and even then it's a small minority who are radical to the point of terrorism.

I do agree with the re-introduction of National Service and also agree there should be no exemptions on religious or conscientious grounds. The first year should be in basic tented accommodation located miles from the nearest town with separate camps for men and women and run by regular soldiers. After that boot camp. designed to instil discipline and respect for themselves and for others and their property, they can choose which branch of the services they'd prefer to serve their remaining four years.

But there are two basic problems with this. First is cost, the MOD would need to take out new leases on suitable land since many of the camps were closed to save money by successive governments. Added to which we'd need to dramatically increase our regular army in order to have sufficient available to train and supervise the conscripts. That will cost money and a lot of it.

The second problem is that certain Laws would need to be amended and the armed forces - including conscripts - exempted from certain provisions of the Human Rights Act, amongst others. The current situation is fine because we have a volunteer army, navy and air force but when you get into the position of forcing people into the services, you can bet the farm on the fact that law suits will start being filed.

I don't think that would necessarily be true, given that National Service continued for a number of years after 1945 and yet we had excursions to Korea and Egypt.

Unfortunately very true and not unpredictable.

It's not just the EDL who might feel aggrieved but also the other non-Christian communities as well.

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I see the Daily Mail is complaining that Cameron flew off to Ibiza on Saturday for a three-day half-term holiday with his family rather than be at his desk in London. For goodness sake, let the man have his break in peace and allow him to recharge his batteries and return to work refreshed! However, I do think he and Ms May should have put in an appearance on Friday at Woolwich Barracks and met with Drummer Rigby's family.

Cameron must now include the Communications Bill in full into this Parliamentary Session with or without Clegg's approval (Clegg vetoed several of its provisions); given the current climate, I can see it passing even without Lib-Dem support as many Labour MPs appear to be now in favour. But if Cameron is to neuter UKIP and EDL - both of whose popularity has increased over the last few days - he must tackle the problem of fundamental Islamists who should be deported (if non-British) or imprisoned for their preaching of hate and radicalising young people to take on acts of terrorism.

But I suspect none of these things will actually happen. There'll be a few speeches in the House and May will do the TV rounds (Newsnight and Channel 4) but nothing will actually change.

Good question. Why the UK in particular? Not giving anyone an excuse by any means, most definitely not but perhaps in the UK we have brought it on ourselves, both in the past and as we speak.

Possible Reasons:

1] Our close links with some of these countries from colonial times.

2] The sheer amount of immigration we have allowed over the years.

3] The lack of hospitality / sheer venomous outlook that a number of Brits exude to certain foreigners.

4] The UKs high profile in the world.

No doubt I have missed some.

I can't say that I'm more knowledgable then anyone else, but I do try to discuss and take an interest in the Islamic colleagues of mine to try and understand more the religion. I talk to them about going to Makkah for the Hajj, which in many ways is similar to the pilgrimage to the Vatican or the Holy Land that many Christians embark on. The Koran is available 24/7 on the TV at work, and I can watch them in my cabin and yes certain verses appear to discuss how to treat non believes, but so does the bible, however modern education and culture means that people interpret this a different way and accept other beliefs more readily. Sadly certain factions in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (A very dangerous country) seem to have their own interpretation.

National Service being reintroduced is a pipe dream, it would never happen and even if it did non military options would need to be available. I don't advocate National Service for all, I think economically it would be disastrous, but perhaps for those who are fail to secure work after 6 months of leaving full time education.

The EDL and UKIP still are in infancy when it comes to politics and Cameron knows that. Realistically at the moment we have a choice of two and a half parties, none of whom and loyal and strong to their policies, and all of whom are full of trough feeding career politicians completely out of touch with society and reality.

If Nigel Farage manages to get financial backing and some serious candidates on his side into some of the traditional labour constituencies then we could see some changes. But if we look at the website, they barely have any real policies formed as yet.

The problem has never really been immigration, the country has had immigration as long as its existed, it's the sudden opening of the flood gates to unskilled immigration and the wide availability of excessive welfare.

The reality is that in my lifetime the NHS will be considerably scaled back, the state pension will become almost unobtainable, taxes and wealth grabbing will increase and society will have to work harder with fewer benefits. We have to hope that all of this will happen peacefully and that the next generation offspring of the current immigrants will be more integrated and harder working people, if nit the country will see social unrest and perhaps heavy rioting again.

I don't blame this on Islam, I blame this on the government policies.

The first three on your list are linked to an extent. But you've missed-out on the fact that we have a very liberal policy when it comes to multiculturalism, far more liberal than almost every other country with the exception of Australia. As for "UK's high profile in the world", it doesn't have one. It used command that position pre-war and immediately post-war but since we all-but abandoned the Commonwealth our importance has gone and we're simply an adjunct off the west coast of Europe. And we're only important to mainland Europe because we pay more than everyone else except the Germans. The high-profile countries are currently the United States and China with India and Brazil making leaps and bounds in that direction.

Whilst I agree with 1,2&4, I would have thought number 3 is a reason not to come. On the contrary perhaps we've been far to hospitable and far to tolerant of the Extremists. I think many of them also find our benefits extremely attractive as well.

I think I covered that in No 2

But the point is, why Britain. Why is it that Britain is a target for the aforesaid darker element? At least that is what the poster Ricky seemed to be saying ( might have got it wrong). Not talking about mutliculturalism but the darker element to it.

I disagree. We all know Britain isn't what it used to be. I found that out some 33 years ago. But it still holds a prominent place in the world, notwithstanding. Prominent meaning prominent, BTW.

No 3. They are already here.

Maybe I should have said certain foreigners and others from certain foreign ethnic backgrounds.

Just looking for reasons.

Personally I think the easy access to public funds and the liberal immigration policy towards the unskilled/uneducated is a major part of the problem.