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Exiled: the disturbing story of a citizen made unBritish

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by KeithAngel, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    I aquired dual nationality for my kids in order to give them the possibilty to seek further opportunities in their lives. I’m not so sure that was now the right thing to do should laws be amended in the future. Hopefully and most unlikely to affect their dual status but wouldn’t want them be to put at jeopardy either.
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  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    In my case with Janna being born in the Philippines it was best to get dual citizenship but yes for kids born in the UK to a British father it might not be the best option in hindsight.
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  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Im happy to see I,m not the only one to see the potential for problems down the line.

    This is a "direction of possible travel" that we should amplify and resist nothing to do with grooming gangs or members of banned groups but incrimental changes that make most of our partners and children potentialy vunerable. The fact that we may be dead wont help them!! In fact they will be more at risk as most wont even understand what could happen in our volitile populist times.

    We will be appling for Natualisation in the next moths and I have only half joking said to the missus dont get caught speeding, it may soon be a deciding factor for some unaccountable beaurocrat.
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  4. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Which ones?
  5. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Yes the dual citizenship for Janna makes total sense. I feel like ive done my kids a disservice now! Hai nako.
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Its amazing how an informitive article can chamge the way we may choose to see something we might not have any inkling of before , Windrush was the step change in seeing how rhe state may abuse its citizens even when it is warned that this is happening years before, including ignoring the "criminals" who it now turns out where wrongfully catagorised.
  7. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    Indeed. One just has to hope that there’s no slow erosion of the laws that would impact on any of our children and the best possible secure future that we strive for them.
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  8. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    There lies the ultimate interpretation!
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  9. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Hope?
  10. Markham
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    Interesting and pretty conclusive, one would think. But I don't believe any Home Secretary would deprive Janna - or Graham's or my lads - of their citizenship, for the sole reason that they were all minors when their citizenship was granted - unless that deprivation was in the public interest. And that's a high bar.

    Reassure yourself by reading Section 55.7.5 of that same set of HO guidelines and consider this: Anjem Choudary - the 'hate preacher' who it is believed encouraged the two who killed Fusilier Lee Rigby - is British by birth and has recently been released following a dirisosry prison sentence would surely be deserving of such a fate (being stripped of his British citizenship) given that he actively encouraged terrorism against his own country - and may do so in the future. If he's not bad enough, then how about Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale who killed the aforementioned soldier - are they bad enough? Get my drift?

    I am not a dual national even though I might be able to lay claim to Polish citizenship but I've not even looked into it following our decision not to live there. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't move to Poland given that it now has a hard right government, I doubt the authorities would lift a finger to assist should Mae be racially attacked or abused. There's quite a community of Filipinos here on Gozo and they only have problems with racial abuse from Romanians and other eastern Europeans; native Gozitans and Italians who make up the bulk of the population are mostly welcoming and friendly.
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    Yeah, it is unlikely but then again I didn't expect a Tory government to put the question of remaining in the EU to a referendum with the potential to remove my and my children's freedom of movement in Europe, **** happens and we have to live with it I suppose.

    And yes I am the one that rejected your complaint that this was a misplaced political thread, it's not, it is something that all members need a chance to become aware of.
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  12. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    How ironic that you should be the one who introduces domestic politics into the thread! It seems my complaint may have been justified after all! Sorry, Jim, but you walked right into that self-made trap all by yourself!!!
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I wasn't here when politics was banned, and I am fully conscious of my deliberate example mentioning the EU, however I am only stating that one can't trust the future and providing an example where I might have expected to be able to trust the future as a result of past decisions.
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  14. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Mole-hills and mountains, Jim! :)
  15. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Good grief that would make most of the immigration threads political I do hope Mark looks under his bed at night for Reds and Blues :rolleyes:
  16. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Terrible, that needs to be removed, within the next few days.
  17. Bootsonground
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    Under what circumstances or worst case scenario, are you most worried about your children being stripped of their British nationality and deported to the Philippines?
    If this actually come to pass and a deportation order was issued,how do you think you would do in a British appeal in the courts of Justice?
  18. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Liverpool and Everton?
  19. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    How about if we turn your question 180 degrees

    Dual National Fils/Brit born in the Fils moved to UK with Mum on a settlemment visa at age 1 year grows up in the UK Dad dies and at 18 returns to Fils on a sabbatical to live for a time with family meets a partner starts a business has a family (or not)gets fitted up by some jealous local/competitor spends 10 years in jail like Kevin family broke expired passport gets released applies for pasport discovers the HO now thinks his jail time and dual nationality makes him excludable under

    55.3.1.1.a

    How wild is that?
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  20. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Simple in my view.
    Acquired citizenship/dual nationality should be revoked/cancelled and subject deported if crimes have been committed In the UK or abroad for which a minimum sentence of 12 months, even if suspended, is mandatory.
    No recourse to appeals to be granted.
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