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Exiled: the disturbing story of a citizen made unBritish

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by KeithAngel, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. Anon04576
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    Anon04576 Well-Known Member

    That’s if you take the oath to reaquire. We talked about requisition not long ago and suggested not even bothering with requisition as the Philippines wouldn’t ncessarily be any the wiser.
  2. Maharg
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    Yeah, I realise that. I'm still not sure whether it's really worth doing the re-acquisition, but if it gets citizenship for our daughter too it might be worth doing.
  3. Anon04576
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    Yes of course. I went to the hassle of applying with the Fil Embassy Outreach for our two kids plus the cost of late registration.
  4. oss
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    When she left the Philippines with me to visit Scotland in 2007 she left on her Korean passport and BI document, at that point in time she had only just obtained Korean Citizenship and only just reacquired Philippine citizenship, prior to that she had returned to the Philippines in 2000 stateless on a Korean amnesty which allowed her to depart Korea, no idea what kind of amnesty allowed her in when she arrived in the Philippines, for the next 7 years she was a stateless overstay nothing ever came of that no fees no mention of it during the reacquisition process at all.
  5. Bootsonground
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    Full political rights??
    A dual citizen cannot run for public office in the R.P!!


    MANILA, Philippines—Filipinos with dual citizenship must first give up their foreign citizenship under oath before they can run for any elective post.

    The Supreme Court issued the ruling on Friday as it upheld the Commission on Elections’ unseating of the Vice Mayor Teodora Sobejana-Condon of Caba, La Union for failing to renounce her Australian citizenship under oath as required by Republic Act No. 9225 or the Citizenship Retention and Re-Acquisition Act of 2003.

    “Failure to renounce foreign citizenship in accordance with the exact tenor of Section 5 (2) of RA 9225 renders a dual citizen ineligible to run for and thus hold any elective public office,” the court en banc said in a 24-page decision penned by Justice Bienvenido Reyes.



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    https://globalnation.inquirer.net/49394/sc-dual-citizens-cant-run-for-elective-posts
  6. oss
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    Luckily you can formally renounce British Citizenship this way and the UK will allow you to re-register your citizenship but you only get one go at that.

    https://www.gov.uk/renounce-british-nationality

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...hment_data/file/417595/rs1_guide_mar_2015.pdf

    I wonder if John in Spain ever went ahead with renouncing his UK citizenship, the retired Policeman, at least I think his name was John.
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  7. Anon04576
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    in the original link by Maharg it does elaborate

    For those who lost their Philippine citizenship and want to run for office, Section 5 (2) of RA No. 9225 compels natural- born Filipinos, who have been naturalized citizens of a foreign country, but who reacquired or retained their Philippine citizenship (1) to take the oath of allegiance under Section 3 of Republic Act No. 9225, and (2) for those seeking elective public offices in the Philippines, to additionally execute a personal and sworn renunciation of any and all foreign citizenship before an authorized public officer prior or simultaneous to the filing of their certificates of candidacy.

    The references that you supplied are from 2012 whereas the the one cited by accralaw is datestamped 2015 if that has any relevance.
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  8. Bootsonground
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    The problem with the "law" here is it is full of contradictions!
    A dual citizen has full political rights but must renounce foreign citizenship to run a political campaign for public office.
    Crazy.
    Former Filipino`s that did not become Dual are still natural born Filipino`s and retain certain rights including reduced land ownership rights.
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    Who are considered natural-born Filipinos?

    Natural-born Filipinos are citizens of the Philippines from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their Philippine citizenship. Those whose fathers or mothers are citizens of the Philippines at the time of their birth and those born before 17 January 1973, of Filipino mothers, who elect Philippine citizenship upon reaching the age of majority are considered natural-born Filipinos.

    Philippine citizenship law derives from the principle of jus sanguinis or the citizenship of the parents.
    Under Sec 13 of the Philippine Immigration Act of 1940, as amended, a returning former Filipino is granted the following rights:
    http://www.vancouverpcg.dfa.gov.ph/...109-who-are-considered-natural-born-filipinos
    1. He/she is allowed to stay indefinitely in the Philippines.
    2. He/she can establish a business.
    3. He/she can invest in shares of stock.
    4. He/she may form an association and corporation.
    5. He/she has the right of access to the courts.
    6. He/she is allowed to work without securing an alien employment permit.
    7. He/she may leave private lands or purchase a condominium.
    8. He/she may purchase an automobile.
    On the other hand, he is subject to the following:

    1. He/she is required to respect and obey the laws of the Philippines.
    2. He/she is required to register at the Bureau.
    3. He/she shall inform the Bureau, at all times, of any change of residential or domiciliary address.
  9. Bootsonground
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    I`d bet the farm that he did not or would ever renounce his Brit citizenship!
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  10. Markham
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    And lose his index-linked Police pension! Yeah, right!!
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    Unlike some PC snowflakes out there, I don't have a problem with a dual-national losing their British citizenship upon conviction of a heinous crime and that due process has been meticulously observed. If such a fate were to befall either of my sons, then he must have been found guilty of something really bad, mass murder say, and in my mind at least, fully deserving of his fate.
  12. oss
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    No he had investigated it and would not have lost any of his pensions.
  13. Markham
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    No argument with you, Jim, but I suspect that's only half-true. Any private pensions he had would still be payable but I really doubt that he would continue to benefit (fully) from his civil service pension - even if he lost the index-linking that could be quite a significant amount. But I could be mistaken.
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    It was johncar54 and it was this thread http://www.british-filipino.com/ind...ionality-what-problems-might-that-cause.7048/

    Not quite as emphatic as I remembered but having read other threads elsewhere I think he would still receive a civil service pension.
  15. Bootsonground
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    Johncar knows the answer to his questions before he asks them...He is just pissed off at the answers he has received thus far from officialdom and is looking for a favourable second opinion from experts in an internet forum..
    If the forum "expert" confirms the official stance..That really pisses him off.
    Right John?
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  16. oss
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    The man was 73 years old when that thread was started it's five and half years later, he's going to be nearly 79, he was looking for input at that time on that thread, the replies he got may have been helpful to him in making a decision at that time in his life.
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  17. Markham
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    From that thread, here's his reply to you when you mentioned the possibility of losing one's pension rights:
    He doesn't stipulate civil service pensions which I suspect are only paid to British citizens - and, again as far as I'm aware, you do have to be a British citizen to join the Police (as was the case when my non-British stepson applied to Dyfed-Powys force in 2003).
  18. oss
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    As I said, not as emphatic a statement on his pension as I had remembered.
  19. oss
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    There is no mention of citizenship in the current Police Pension Scheme document and I suspect that like any other pension the benefits are accrued and due based on service same as the state pension is dues based on years of NI contributions, British or not.
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  20. Bootsonground
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    Good for him.

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