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Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Micawber, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

    Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."

    Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.

    She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.

    Source:-
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155
  2. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    RIP Margaret Thatcher
    A huge character in British History
  3. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    It will be an interesting few weeks ahead, she had her followers and people who hated her for the policies she brought forth.
  4. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Sad news.:(

    She was a great leader,
    the best.

    RIP
  5. Methersgate
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    Falklands - good (although it now seems that she wobbled more than was once thought)
    Miners' strike - good
    Sale of council houses - debatable. On the whole, bad.
    Privatisation of utilities - bad
    Poll tax - barking mad.

    I did not and do not agree with the destruction of the grammar schools - which she was mainly responsible for, although it had cross party support - when both parties quietly agree on a policy - as recently with Press regulation - the result is never, ever, good.

    But, beyond doubt, the Britain that we live in now is her creation.
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  6. Kuya
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    I think in years to come, her acceptance of the Milton Friedman financial school of throught will be squarley labelled as a bad idea from all sections of society. The privatisation of everything she could grab to keep taxes down was very bad, the selling off of council houses (and the broken promise to use that money to build more) is at the heart of our troubles today..
  7. Anon220806
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    And what about the skool kids milk. She had a lot to answer for.....

    Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher. :D
  8. walesrob
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    But how can this country move forward when we keep blaming this one person, again and again. We had 13 years of Labour to right the wrongs, but have produced nothing but a huge deficit. Didn't a certain Labour chancellor aspire to a 10p starting rate of tax? What happened to that? The temporary cut in VAT? Didn't a certain Mr Prescott state at the 1996 Labour Party Conference that if his party got back into power, they would take the railways back in public ownership, but rejected by his own party just 2 years? Why didn't Labour build more social housing? Before you start blaming Thatcher for societies ills, spare a thought for the spineless bunch of hypocrites that followed her in the 90's/00's (this includes the current bunch of fools in government and opposition). She was a conviction politician. I'd say she was one of the best PM's this country ever had.
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    One of the things that she never failed to do was to divide the nation. Let us ensure she does not divide this place.
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    I couldn't agree more. Well said sir.

    You're quite right that the following Labour government point-blank refused to repeal ANY of those policies still held against her.
    Times change and people change, difficult to see how the policies of 30 years still get blamed.

    She was a conviction politician and she faced the most extreme of union leadership.
    Yes, many still despise her for that but it's very widely acknowledged that the union leadership of those day got it completely wrong time after time. That was their eventual downfall. It just didn't have to be that way from any side.

    She passed away a very old lady who gave her best.
    Rather better than todays batch of career ********'s who are only interested in short term gains for election wins
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  12. Anon220806
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    I speak as a political neutral. And simply say that once the family silver had been sold off, how on earth was the Labour party supposed to find the money to go out and buy the family silver back again?

    On Maggie Thatcher. I saw both good and not good in her time as Prime Minister, not just one or the other.
  13. Anon220806
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    Or was it the Milton Keynes school of Economics?
  14. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    One of her quotes from the late 1990's was about New Labour being her greatest achievement..
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    Milton Friedman - "His ideas concerning monetary policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation influenced government policies, especially during the 1980s"
  16. Anon220806
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    Yeah. Just jesting there. Messing with words. I recall John Maynard Keynes thinking preceeded Friedman's in the world of economics, until Friedman came along. I kind of went with the ideas of monetarism as that's what I learnt in school and kept waiting for Thatchers monetary policy to work in the way that the theory suggested but became disilluisioned eventually.
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    Thatcher seemingly rid Britain of the title of "sick man of Europe" but compared to those before her, she had the benefit of North Sea oil revenues to help her.....

    "Did North Sea oil make Thatcherism possible?
    Some commentators think so. The money that flowed into the Treasury’s coffers was crucial to enabling the Government to bear the cost of rising unemployment. Some economists believe that, without North Sea oil, the Thatcher Government might have been forced to abandon the strict monetarist economic policies that caused interest rates to rise to punitive levels in the early 1980s, and to scale back Thatcher’s confrontation with the unions and privatisation programme, both of which contributed to soaring unemployment. On the other hand, Thatcher herself appears to attach very little significance to the role of North Sea oil in underwriting her economic reforms - in her autobiography, North Sea oil and gas merit just six passing references.
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    "Indeed, Jim Callaghan, prime minister in the late 1970s, claimed that whoever won the 1979 general election was likely to remain in power for many years, thanks to the windfall from North Sea oil and gas receipts."

    http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/commodities/learning-to-live-without-north-sea-oil
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    Unlike some who disagreed with her policies, I don't think she was a witch or whatever people like to call her.

    However, her policies were on the whole misguided and based upon theories still yet to be proven correct. The Milton Friedman thinktanks and his works have never succeeded in any country, reducing governments with popular uprisings.
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    For the Guardian, a left leaning paper, that was quite a balanced article. Makes a change.

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