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EU..... This I well believe...........

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Aromulus, Apr 24, 2016.

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  1. subseastu
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    subseastu I'm Bruce Wayne Lifetime Member

    I don't think its as simple as that.

    http://johnmccormick.eu/2014/05/three-of-the-most-persistent-myths-about-the-european-union/
    British critics of the EU like to argue that Britain is losing control to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (by which they mainly mean the European Commission). While the senior staff of the Commission are indeed unelected, so are bureaucrats almost everywhere, including those in Whitehall. And those staff – as well as being appointed by the elected governments of the member states, and being subject to confirmation in their positions by the elected European Parliament, and having to report regularly to the EP – cannot make final decisions on EU law or policy. Those decisions are made by the Council of Ministers (consisting of ministers from the elected governments of the member states) and the elected EP. Furthermore, the general direction of the EU is guided by the European Council, consisting of the elected heads of government (or state) of the 28 EU member states. And all the EU institutions are accountable to the treaties and the European Court of Justice. The idea that there is a European government in Brussels with independent powers is nothing more than a myth.

    Also (nicely explained for folk like me)
    http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm

    More in depth
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_law
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  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Interesting that the first link above is to the site of a Monnet professor, somebody who is paid by the EU to indoctrinate academics with slanted EU propoganda.
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  3. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I guess you dont follow politics much John all the things you mention have been going forward under Cameron & Smith incidentely migrants from the EU being young dont have much of an impact on the NHS its our generation that is doing that

    I would agree with the "no subsidised housing" that would be revolutionary!! Oh and no more subsisised bankers bonus,s more sewing mailbags

    If as much effort were put into tax recuperation the ridiculous narrative on austerity that is designed to push incomes down and punish the vunerable might be seen more clearly
  4. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Cant happen unless we agree Timmers oh and the other 28 I really think its fancifull to think Turkey is going to be a member in our lifetime
  5. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    Who?
    Not entirely correct. Try to register with a GP in any area with a migrant population and you could well find yourself out of luck. Because GP practices are now so busy and have more patients than is ideal, you may have to wait a week or two to get an appointment. Some can't wait that long and take their sniffles and coughs to the local A&E and cause a bottleneck there.

    No more free banking, then ....

    What you mean is 40% as a base rate and anyone on an MP's salary should pay at least 90% of their earnings. That's the politics of envy.
  6. Markham
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    Oh yes it can and oh yes it will! Britain does not have a veto on membership.
    You do mean "the other 27", don't you?! :p

    Do keep up - Turkey will be a member within the next 5 or so years. What Merkel wants, Merkel gets.
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  7. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I do follow politics but dont have a particular leaning towards any party I am aware that some of the points I raised are already going forward but are they going forward fast enough and with as much gusto that is required.You will also note I led with the comments "the whole" and suggested that immigration would be a good start point there are many true Brits who are a drain on the financial resources of the country and if a party advocated for example "hurt in an accident due to alcohol abuse attended a&e the person should pay the bill." Another glaring example and I am not anti smoking but you see these families claiming poverty but smoking drinking large plasma tvs etc etc.
    The Bankers totally agree any wrong doing seize all assets and send the guilty to jail.
    When you see 2 or 3 generations on the social with what they see as very little hope it is heartbreaking however when you see people abusing the systems and their families just roll into that way of life its annoying.
    I agree with tax recuperation but there is also a case for sensible balanced austerity.
  8. Markham
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    Anyone who believed what Cameron told the House of Commons' Liaison Committee yesterday about Turkey's application to join the EU should discount his words as being mistaken/misinformed/more-dammed-lies.

    He said "I don’t think that the accession of Turkey to the European Union is remotely on the cards. I don’t think it will happen for decades. The facts are it requires unanimity of all European Union members… so I’d say very clearly to people, if your vote in this referendum is being influenced by considerations about Turkish membership of the EU, don’t think about it. It’s not remotely on the cards."


    However not so long ago, he told the Turks "I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership… this is something I feel very strongly and very passionately about. Together I want to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels."

    Unfortunately for Cameron, as he was seated before the Committee, the EU Commission issued a Press Release which stated "the accession process will be re-energised, with Chapter 33 to be opened during the Dutch Presidency of the Council of the European Union and preparatory work on the opening of other chapters to continue at an accelerated pace". This is completely in accord with earlier statements made by the EU regarding the lifting of visa restrictions for Turkish citizens across the EU and accelerate accession negotiations as soon as possible.

    As I predicted a day or two ago, Turkey will become the EU's 29th member by the next General Election closely followed by Albania, Bosnia. Macedonia, Montenegro and Georgia.
  9. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Yet another good reason to leave the EU, we have enough riff raff here already.
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  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I resemble that remark must get the T Shirt:)
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  11. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    My comment may appear a little harsh but its true :)
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  12. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Its about as true as anything Ive heard in this thoughly objective "debate":rolleyes:
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    Under the EU's freedom of movement laws, individual countries have absolutely no way of knowing for sure who is in any particular country, how long they've been there or how many there are. Therefore how can countries plan for the provision of health, education, housing or any other services? They can't.

    As you may know, Mae and I are living on Malta. Mae has a Schengen visa, I don't need any Visa to live here. We came to Malta via Amsterdam where her Passport was stamped as arriving in a Schengen country - but neither her Passport nor mine were scanned or any record taken of our arrival. On arrival at Luqa Airport, we went straight from the aircraft to baggage reclaim - no immigration - so there is no official record of us being here. We are supposed to apply for Residence Permits on or before 90 days of our arrival on Malta - but what if we don't?
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    Alf Garnett: Well, I mean, see if we go into Europe...

    Else Garnett: I thought we was in Europe. I mean, I thought we always have been.

    Alf Garnett: I know that, yer silly moo. I'm not talking about that aspect am I? I'm talking about the Common Market aspect of the going into Europe.

    Alf Garnett: Old Enoch's against it, in't 'e, eh? He don't want no more bloody foreigners over here. We got enough bloody foreigners here as it is. Bloody country's swarming with Eities and Krauts and Froggies and Spagnollies and Brussel Sprouts. All coming over here and taking our jobs off of us, aren't they?

    Else Garnett: Well, we can go over there and take the jobs off of them.

    Alf Garnett: I don't want to go over there, do I?

    Else Garnett: Wish you would.
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  16. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    "Many a true word said in jest" as they say :)
  17. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Yeah Bloody country's swarming with Eitie,s and Pinoy,s:)
  18. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    What is it with Corbynistas and racism?
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    The Brussels Business - Who Runs the EU ?

  20. CampelloChris
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    There will be a passenger manifesto (although I don't know if they bother checking). It might be safe to assume you still remain in Malta unless you've overdone it on a pedalo.

    I take your point though, and I'm hoping they don't all of a sudden begin to check arrivals here in Spain, at least not for another two weeks or so. BTW, I was in Spain for 11 years without applying for residency
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