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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    If you are suggesting that "sour grapes" is what I feel, then I believe you are greatly mistaken.
    Sour grapes would be correct had there not been a very varied life to fill the void, but my working life in previous days was fuller than I ever dreamed possible. I am so happy to have had the good luck to achieve what I set out to do which was to see the world and have fun. For the most part, I wasn't closeted in an environment where I knew that someone else would help me if things went wrong; it was mostly sink or swim. I was not often part of a team, it was mostly a seat of your pants lifestyle, and as far from mundane as you could possibly get. Sometimes I wished it would get boring because I could catch my breath.

    On the rare occasions that I was on a vessel, there was backup but it would be far too exhausting to try to explain what I did otherwise to you, John. "Technicians just do the day to day work" is so far off the mark because it was not a workshop or oil rig existence; it was different every day and it would take me too long to explain what the range of work was.
    If I felt you were interested, I would elaborate further over a few drinks but certainly not in a forum.

    Nice to see that you are taking the time to write without multiple spelling mistakes :)
    It would not take long for you to correct the spelling in the thread title you created "Coronovirus in the Philippines"
    A check anywhere would show you how that should be spelt.
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    It’s the same for me. It would take days and days to explain everything I have done and do. Too much to cover in a short forum post.

    Health and safety is a massive part of any role I have had pretty much since Piper Alpha. You would be surprised how much I would understand what is involved in driving an HGV lorry. A quick glance on the HSE website confirms the similarity between HSE for an HGV and HSE for anywhere else in heavy industry. Logistics and logistics regs is also a part of what we have been covering. And when it comes to lorry’s, trucks or whatever you want to call them then there are some pretty enormous ones involved in shifting a land rig. Most freight going to an offshore rig goes by road initially.

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    These cement trucks are pretty big. Kenworths.



    Moving offshore rigs and parking them on a sixpence. Sure I appreciate the technology involved. Believe or not I am completely in tune with the technology. I worked for 30 years for a company that developed a downhole gyro in 1929. You will no doubt be familiar with gyros and what they do. Yes, I know, well location is important.

    I do a lot of technical writing. I have to run everything through a spell checker. So does my employer who’s stuff gets published for public and commercial consumption. Once it goes to press every t is crossed and I dotted etc. But first draft is atrocious. Does it matter? Not really as he gets it done in the end.

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    Meantime had my flu jab today and evidently I can have the Covid booster anytime.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Great stuff!!!!
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    had my first booster jab this afternoon--fisons.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    How many more will there be?
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    I think at least annually till its deemed to have died out..or the risk is acceptable
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    Evidence from Israel is showing a 12 fold increase in neutralising antibodies after the third dose.

    Some people think that might be enough to keep people immune for a while, the government and some scientists do not want to get into a perpetual cycle of boosters, a lot of scientists feel that at this time natural infection in those previously vaccinated will produce a more broad spectrum immune response to the virus.

    SARS-CoV-2 codes for 29 proteins the outer layer spike protein is just one of those proteins so when you are vaccinated you generate antibodies against that single protein, however when you are naturally infected you develop antibodies and T-Cell lymphocyte response to a lot more than just the spike protein.

    The best protected people are currently those who were infected and survived and who have also been vaccinated twice as they have a much broader response than those who are vaccinated alone, that's why they want a lot of natural infection as well.

    I'm not convinced, personally I want the booster and I would be happy for a booster each year from now on simply because I am older.
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    The problem with that is that we need to vaccinate the entire world, some scientists still believe that we could prevent this becoming endemic but UK policy is that it will become endemic which is why the continent has far lower case loads just now because they still have social distancing measures in place like masks and people are still respecting those measures as Mattecube has pointed out on his travels.

    Our government is actively keeping case loads high to get the infection around the country and so that a lot of people are boosted by the infection rather than a third vaccine, the thing about that is that vaccinated people are dying and will die as a result of that policy but the numbers will be small enough that there will be no outrage over it.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Maybe you're right, Jim.
    Covid is ripping through the schools were I live.
    My daughter said about 10 pupils in her class tested positive and they are now at home isolating.
    There have also been cases in my son's school which is in a different town.

    Thank you for your insight with "Our government is actively keeping case loads high to get the infection around the country" looks right.
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    It's just my cynical speculation Mike, but personally I feel that the Tories are desperate for a pandemic exit strategy and have taken and will take dangerous decisions to achieve that exit, they opened early which directly resulted in our high case loads through the summer, they abandoned simple prudent behavioural requirements that other countries have retained and also demanded schools and colleges get back to normal and we have kids getting infected and bringing it home all the time now.

    All of that is a huge experiment, fewer cases means fewer chances for mutation and also means that your vaccination program and border control could potentially eliminate the virus, but our government chose not to do that, we still have one of the worst hospitalisation rates per capita in the world right this minute.
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    So, they were planning herd immunity a long time ago, Jim?

    I remember in the news when a Hong Kong father pulled his child back over there in 2019 when he thought that was the strategy over here.
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    That was clearly the plan prior to March 22nd 2020 Mike, bare faced reality forced the change in policy and the result was the lockdown.

    Johnson is quoted as saying "people dying from covid were essentially all over 80" that was in a text leaked by Dominic Cummings, that was October 2020 one year ago long after he himself had Covid.

    That comment and a lot of other actions speak volumes to my mind, I don't think they had any plan other than let's try to be popular while not exposing our total incompetence from day one at handling this virus, hence we drop all restrictions probably 3 months earlier than we should have given the UK vaccination programme progress, that happened because they wanted to save summer as if summer being saved was more important than getting case loads down, in the end it wasn't even saved.

    I'm angry that we are the country right now with the second worst daily new case rate in the world:

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    I'm angry that we have the worst daily new case rate in Europe:

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    But we are being sold the notion that our government did a brilliant job protecting the country.

    Have a look at the deaths per million column we are up there with the worst performing countries in Europe and rank 25th in the world for deaths but a lot of the ones ranking above us are relatively small countries 12 of them have much smaller populations than the UK.

    Scientist no longer believe that herd immunity is even possible with this virus at this time, not without 95% total population vaccination rates, and that is not going to happen in the UK and even then there are now animal reservoirs for it.

    Last point, one of the great benefits of a vaccination programme is that it gets the infection count down in absolute terms, that protects us all of us because fewer infections mean far fewer chances of new mutations that could be worse than what we already have, the virus cannot mutate outside of a host, we deliberately chose to give it more hosts in absolute terms than any other country other than the USA.

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    This is funny Covid: India imposes 10-day quarantine on UK nationals - BBC News
    And who can blame them, tit for tat, we don't let Indians vaccinated with Covisheild (Oxford AZ) into the UK.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I've been flabbergasted at the laissez-faire attitude of most people in this country.
    A lot of people have given up with masks and nobody has said Covid has gone for good.
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    I got this text in the early hours this morning:

    NHS: You are now eligible for a Covid Pass proving you have been vaccinated. Your reference no. is 78430, please visit https://covidpassport-apply.com to apply.

    So..with trepidation..i clicked the link....

    "Account suspended"
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    You must have been naughty :lol:
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    have you clicked the link you posted it comes up as risky!! Deceptive site ahead

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