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British child in Philippines, with invalid passport

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by Philip43, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. Philip43
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    Philip43 New Member

    My partners child is currently in the Philippines, and has recently received British citizenship. However, my partner wants to bring her daughter to live in the UK, but she doesn't have a British passport, and can't get one as she isn't in this country at the moment. She does have a Philippine passport, which allowed her to travel there in the first place. However, we have been told that her Philippine passport is now void, as she is now a British citizen. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Much confusion, please explain further.

    I hate the word "partner" it seems so gay and left wing socialist, so I shall use the term "bird" instead.

    this country = Which country, where are you?

    Are you talking about your bird, or her daughter, or another child, and where did the daughter (or your bird) travel from?

    Certain that people can assist if you clarify these points.:D
  3. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    A child born to a Philippine national will retain Philippine nationality even if they are also entitled to claim a foreign nationality as well, it is not the same as the case where a woman renounces citizenship on marriage to a foreigner, the child cannot renounce citizenship.
  4. Philip43
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    Philip43 New Member

    yeah, my 'bird'!! Lol!
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    Her daughter.
    Travelled from UK at 5 months old, on Philippine passport.
  5. Philip43
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    Philip43 New Member

    But if the parent has claimed British citizenship on the childs behalf, does that have a bearing?
  6. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Don't think so, the kid does not have a choice about it.

    My daughter has a British passport and a Philippine passport, she also has a Philippine birth certificate and a UK one, how would the Philippine authorities even know about the British birth certificate, when the time comes I will be renewing both my daughters passports.
  7. Philip43
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    Philip43 New Member

    That's very interesting, as her daughter only has one birth certificate, having only been born in one country. Don't you mean a birth certificate, and a birth 'report'?
  8. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    My elder son was born in Manila; his mother had, at that time, only a Filipino passport, and I did not record his birth with the Embassy since we were not, at that point, married. I did, however, claim paternity on his birth certificate. When, four and bit years later, the three of us turned up, now married, in the UK, he having travelled on his Filipino passport, he was issued with a British passport at once, on the basis that he had acquired UK citizenship through me. His mother had to wait five years and go to a ceremony.

    If you refer to my thread on "what to do if you lose your British passport in the Philippines", you will see how to go abbout getting your daughter a British passport , if she doesn't already have one. Her mother should be allowed to travel with her to the UK on her Philip passport - the grounds are set outin Kuya's visa threads.

    I don't share Dave's aversion to "partner" as my bird, being younger and trendier than I, uses it quite a bit. ;)
  9. Philip43
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    i think you misunderstand the circumstances Methersgate.
    The child was born in the UK. Her mother obtained a (British) birth certificate, for her daughter, and a birth 'report' in order to obtain a Philippine passport, for her daughter, from the embassy in London. Both certificate and report were required. The child was then transported to the Philippines on her Philippine passport. The child is now 6 years old, and has recently received a certificate of British citizenship, which apparently makes her philippine passport invalid, even though it does not expire until 2016. An application for a British passport cannot be submitted at this time, as the child is still in the Philippines, and is unable therefore to complete the biometric procedure. (Eyes and fingerprints). The child is therefore in limbo, unless we can find a way to re-instigate her Philippine passport. that will involve her mother travelling to the philippine embassy in London, and re-acquireng her own Philippine citizenship.
  10. Methersgate
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    Yes, I certainly did.

    But I agree with OSS; the child can simply travel on her Philippines passport, which is NOT invalidated by the grant of British citizenship - my children both have dual citizenship.

    If a British document is important, why not just apply to the Embassy in Manila for an Emergency Travel Document?
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  11. Philip43
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    Just found this link, which suggests to me that the childs passport IS valid, and that the child can travel on her Philippine passport.However, it seriously contradicts the information received from the Philippine Embassy in london. I wonder if they really know what they are talking about??
    http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2003/ra_9225_2003.html
  12. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    er, with respect, the Embassy may have been as confused as I was. They may have confused the mother (who lost citizenship on acquring UK citizenship) with her daughter (who did not).
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  14. Philip43
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    Probably as confused as I am!! Lol!! The child's mother has to re acquire her own citizenship, in order for the child to automatically retain citizenship. That would then enable the child to travel here on her Philippine passport. But that's still not what the embassy told us.
  15. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I am quite sure that all the little girl has to do is to walk into the airport with her Philippines passport and a valid ticket.

    But, unless I have misunderstood the Britain in Hong Kong link that I have posted above, the child's mother can apply for a British passport for her. Note that British passport enquiries in the Philippines are handled by the Hong Kong consulate, NOT by the Embassy in Manila.
  16. Philip43
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    I'm quite sure that's all she has to do too methersgate, but you try telling that to her mother!! Lol!! And as for the Britsh passport application to Hong Kong, her mum thinks that's only for people living in Hong Kong!! Some people just don't listen, and the rest just can't be taught!
  17. Methersgate
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    Her mother isn't ethnic Chinese, by any chance...? Just asking... that level of self-confident, mistaken, certainty (!) is something I associate with people of Chinese, rather than Malay, descent... - and I have passed my life amongst those two peoples...;)

    Seriously, can you refer her to the website - she will see that British passports for the Philippines are handled from Hong Kong...

    Good luck!
  18. Philip43
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    I looked at that website, but the confusion arises from the request to provide a 'Hong kong' Identity card. And no, she's not of Chinese decent!! And that was said in a raised tone!! Lol!!
  19. oss
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    Well it's a British Birth registration with in the district of the British Consul at Manila and was described to us as a birth certificate, it looks pretty much the same as a UK cert in content but has a different layout.
  20. oss
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    If the Philippine passport is still valid then the child can walk in to the airport and use it, the child cannot lose Philippine nationality when the mother renounces her nationality.

    Or as Methersgate says get an emergency travel document from the Embassy and then apply for a British passport for her when she gets back to the UK.

    Also unless the mother explicitly revoked her citizenship then she is still Filipino, what passport did the mother travel on as you said she was still in the process of becoming a British citizen?

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