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About those proposed new rules on immigration

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by Kuya, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Found this

    EUN2.14 Can family members of British citizens qualify for an EEA family permit? ('Surinder Singh' cases)

    As a general rule, family members of British citizens do not qualify for an EEA family permit. Article 3 of the Directive essentially says that an EEA national cannot be considered as exercising freedom of movement in their own State -

    This Directive shall apply to all Union citizens who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members as defined in point 2 of Article 2 who accompany or join them.

    However, where an EEA national has exercised a treaty right in another Member State as a worker or self-employed and they wish to return to their own State having exercised that right, certain provisions may apply in order for their non-EEA family members to qualify under the EEA Regulations.

    A British national and his / her non-EEA national family members can only benefit from free movement rights if they meet the criteria established in the ECJ case of Surinder Singh. The case stated that nationals of a Member State who are exercising an economic Treaty right (that is, as a worker or self-employed person) in another Member State will, on return to their home state, be entitled to bring their non-EEA family members to join them under EC law.

    Example: A British national is exercising an economic Treaty right in Germany and living with his non-EEA national spouse and children. On the British national's return to the UK, his non-EEA national family members can apply for an EEA family permit to join him under EC law.

    The Surinder Singh judgement is incorporated into the EEA Regulations in Regulation 9. Family members of British nationals who meet the requirements of Regulation 9 are treated as family members of EEA nationals for the purposes of the EEA Regulations.

    Applications for EEA family permits must meet the following criteria:

    The British citizen must be residing in an EEA Member State as a worker or self-employed person or have been doing so before returning to the UK.
    If the family member of the British citizen is their spouse or civil partner, they are living together in the EEA country or must have entered into the marriage or civil partnership and have been living together in the relevant EEA country before the British citizen returned to the UK.

    Because EEA nationals have an initial three months right of residence in the UK, there is no requirement for the British national to be a qualified person on arrival. Therefore, an EEA family permit can be issued to the non-EEA national family member of a British national even if they are only visiting the UK with the British national before returning to the Member State where they are resident.

    It does not matter if the only reason the British national went to another Member State was to exercise an economic Treaty right was so that he / she could come back to the UK with his / her family members under EC law.

    The ECO should seek advice from ECCCAT where unsure about the decision to be taken in applying the Surinder Singh judgement.

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/guidance/ecg/eun/eun2/#header3
  2. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member


    Ain't that a peach of a statement.............????
  3. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    The whole thing is cocked up :erm:
  4. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    It is one thing to say it, but another thing to do it!

    Take this recent story from Theresa May saying she would halt EU citizens from the UK if the Euro collapses! She forgot to mention the bit about having to get a new treaty put in place or leave the EU in order to get that done.. She is right wing, a bit crazy, but also talks up more than she can provide for her right wing luvvies.
  5. Manila_Paul
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    Agree with this. I'm a postie in London and earn circa 26k because of London weighting. And therefore, I'm just over the higher income threshold that is being talked about. Yet a postie up north somewhere gets something like 18k/20k. And, all things being equal, it could be argued he is better off given the difference in the cost of living. Yet I would get the visa for my missus and he wouldn't? That wouldn't make sense.

    I think this is just an easy way for the Tories to try and meet this pledge of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands. Whereas everyone knows the real issue with immigration is the open door policy via the EU. Anyone in the EU can come and work here. That is 500 million people. But the Tories are loathed to deal with this because ultimately they're pro-EU and have to just accept this as the price for being involved. So, instead, they posteur on non-EU immigration.
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    The UK is the third placed country in terms of exersizing our treaty rights re freedom of movement:like:
  7. Manila_Paul
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    Manila_Paul Member

    Yes but I think Britons who go abroad within the EU tend not to be chasing capital. The problem is with the undeveloped EU countries, particularly those that ascended in recent times. The workers in these countries end up chasing capitial and, for me, it shouldn't work like that. Capital should work for the benefit of all. A tighter labour market leads to higher wages and better conditions. Obviously, bosses aren't keen on this. They like a big pool of labour to be available to them. And as for the undeveloped countries, I think there is a better approach to development than exporting your workforce in this way and then relying on remittances. It is no substitute for real industry at home. The comparison of China and the Philippines in the last 30 or 40 years is a good example of this! Liberal economic policy has meant very, very slow progress for the Philippines.

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