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Zero Hours Contracts....

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by walesrob, Apr 1, 2015.

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  1. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    There's a big noise about zero hours contracts coming from Labour, saying they will outlaw 90% of such thing if elected.

    I'm looking at this from a retailing point of view.

    However, while I think zero hour contracts should be banned, would Labour do something about contracts with very low hours? I work for a food retailer, my contract is for 8 hours a week, but I've never worked that, its often 25+ hours or more. I don't see having an 8 hour contract as a problem, in fact I appreciate the flexibility it provides. I know of other retailers with 1 hour contracts - will Labour do something about this as well? Labour seem to fail to grasp that retailing has changed, the days of 9-5 five days a week are long gone. We have 24 hour supermarkets, where customers want to come shopping at all hours and business has to respond and where staff flexibility is key, whether politicians like it or not, this demands staff work all kinds of hours. Sometimes, the shop may be quiet, so staff need to be sent home. Any retail business that only employ people on full-time hours will very quickly see wages costs spiral.

    So, in conclusion, it's all very well outlawing zero hour contracts, but what about low hour contracts? Labour haven't thought this through at all.
  2. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Isnt the problem with zero or low hours contracts that it enables employers to take the pith?
  3. Maharg
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    Maharg Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    The first I heard of zero hours contracts was when my wife was offered a new job and was considering leaving theone she has at the moment.

    Until then I had no idea that such a thing existed.

    When I read her letter it said that no hours were guaranteed, and told her not to accept it - which she didn't.
  4. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    I agree, thats wrong.
  5. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    I don't agree with letting employers send people home when it suits them.
    I think it is totally disrespectful to expect workers to go home early losing money when they left their house to work for the day.

    I work for agencies and we are always paid for 8 hours minimum even if we show up somewhere and we only work 4 hours for the client, for example..
  6. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    There are 2 sides to the argument. There should be a sense of fairness for both parties, both employer and employee.

    It isnt right that an employee should be expected to pay to get into work, travel a distance and then released after an hour.
  7. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    I think its laughable that a Milliband government would even mention banning zero-hour contracts when members of his own front-bench team and 68 Labour back-benchers all employ staff using them. Council workers in his own constituency, Doncaster, are among the 22,000 employed by Labour run councils on zero-hour contracts. Brown's government pretty much promoted them in the wake of the global financial crisis of 2008.
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i heard stories--a few years back--of youngsters on zero hours contracts----having to wait--unpaid--in a staff room of a burger joint---on the off chance of being paid to work sometime that day.

    so they couldnt be working anywhere else.
  9. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    That is so wrong.
  10. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Is that true?
  11. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member



    Urban legend am afraid.
  12. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-hour_contract
    United Kingdom[edit]
    In the United Kingdom, under the National Minimum Wage Act 1998, workers operating under a zero-hour contract on stand-by time, on-call time, and downtime must be paid the national minimum wage for hours worked. Prior to the introduction of the Working Time Regulations 1998 and the National Minimum Wage Regulations 1999 zero-hour contracts were sometimes used to "clock-off" staff during quiet periods while retaining them on site so they could be returned to paid work should the need arise. The National Minimum Wage Regulations now require that employers pay the national minimum wage for the time workers are required to be at the workplace even if there is no "work" to do.[9][10]Some employees subject to a zero-hour contract have in some cases[11] been told that they are required to obtain permission of their employer before accepting other work.[6] InAutoclenz Ltd v Belcher [2011] UKSC 41, the UK Supreme Court delivered a groundbreaking judgment on workers who were on a zero hour contract. Lord Clarke held, at paragraph 35, that in employment relations which are characterised by inequality of bargaining power, the written terms of a contract may not in truth represent what was the contract in law. In 2013 , the reasoning in Autoclenz was applied by Supperstone J in the Employment Appeal Tribunal[12] to hold that a security guard who was given a zero hours contract was entitled to a stable working pattern: the contract's written terms were invalid. Together, this indicates that all zero hours contracts are potentially unlawful, and would entitle all workers to sue their employers for an unlawful deduction of wages if they are willing and able to work.[13]
  13. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    Zero hour contracts give far too much power to companies and high and mighty management who use them to harass and cojole. Yes, to a very small minority they work to the workers benefit.

    I too read a blog about a bunch of poor fast food workers being kept on site, rings true to my own youth working for McDonalds and how at a moment we would have to ditch our dinners to get on the shop floor, or how I spent every night washing my one and only uniform and worked 6 days a week for my low pay.

    Bad days...

    I had a part time contract once as a kid working for PC World. Lucky for me I also lived at home so when I got crap off of certain management I went back to my part time hours and hit the gym and let them moan all day long about it. When I got my apologies I went back to the 40 to 60 hours a week they needed, but soon after my contact and pay got increase d to something a man could live on.
  14. aposhark
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    This was brought up in the ITV debate in a question to Miliband.
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