1. Timmers
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    Reading the article below regarding the thousands of immigrants in Calais waiting for the chance to enter the UK illegally makes me wonder why on earth do they want to come here. I mean, is surviving in a squatters camp any different than surviving the streets of the UK where they will ultimately end up?

    Why doesn't the UK Government send people over there to Calais to explain to them that the UK is not the promised land they expect, especially if you arrive there with no money, nowhere to live and little or no knowledge of the English language.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31008193
  2. alfie
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    Economics is probably the primary factor. Most of the countries these folks come from pay a pittance in daily wages.

    If you visited and stayed in some of these poor areas these people come from, you might understand why they want a better life.
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  3. Timmers
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    I spent over twenty years working all over the world and I still don't understand why they transit through many wealthy countries to get to the UK illegally.
  4. Aromulus
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    Unfortunately, the word has spread about benefits, free houses, free medicals, soppy leaders that don't give a damn about their own electorate and taxpayers wishes, but follow a party dogma of being perceived to be generous to the needy.........

    The indigenous "needy" tho, need not apply...
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  5. Timmers
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    People often quote the UK as having the most generous benefits system in Europe, but does it?

    As you rightfully pointed out, "the indigenous needy need not apply", I couldn't survive on benefits much as the average UK family couldn't.

    Take a look at the attached article, we in fact do not have the most generous benefits system in Europe. Probably true to say though that we are the softest touch.

    http://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/...cking-to-britains-soft-touch-benefits-system/
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  6. aposhark
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    They probably already have contacts here then many will live together in one house. Also, they can learn English.
  7. Timmers
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    Which ever way you look at it, they are trying to come to the UK illegally and something needs doing about it by the British Government.
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  8. Aromulus
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    The annoying thing is that if one of them slips in unnoticed, once found, it is very doubtful he/she will be deported and they know that.

    But if some unfortunate indigenous bugger tries to use proper legal means to bring his wife/partner into the country, then the government puts all sorts of steps in the way to make it as difficult and expensive as possible...

    A total overhaul of immigration rules is needed,
  9. Timmers
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    You are exactly right, that's why it is important they do not make it here to the UK, surely in this day and age we should have some way of shutting down the Calais route. As it is now the average immigrant in Calais works on the "if you first don't succeed try and try again" basis, that should not be allowed to happen. There was an illegal Indian chap on TV a while back who came to Britain via the Calais route and decided after that he wanted to go back home to India, because he had no ID or passport it took eighteen months and thousands of upon thousands of tax payers money to finally get shut of him.

    Yes, definitely cut this nonsense off at the route and shut down the camps at Calais.

    The problem is, its mostly the wrong kind of people who are queuing up at the UK door.
  10. Dave_E
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    I believe that the UK benefits system has been developed for an island nation with general entitlement, the EU systems tend to pay out on the basis of people having contributed to the system as residents of the country.
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  11. Aromulus
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    I cannot possibly retire just yet, too many refugees, illegals, and general DSS scroungers rely on my tax money.
  12. Howerd
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    Howerd Well-Known Member Trusted Member Lifetime Member

    The real problem is that war-torn countries across the planet produce refugees whose second language is English.
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  13. Jim
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    More like the soft headed MP's of Westminster, who dole out billions of tax payers hard earned money on these people.
    French is spoken in some of these counties, why don't they stay there?
  14. walesrob
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    Most important of all, what are the French doing about the problem? Surely they have duty of care for these people, they are on French soil, and the UK has no authority there. All I can see is bluster and blame from the French.

    We only need to look at Malta to see how bad things can get. Many illegals land on Malta on their way to UK or Germany, but Malta cannot cope with the large numbers (its only a tiny island with limited resources) - they are being held in secure camps next to the airport in Luqa. Malta has pleaded with the EU for help, but this doesn't seem to be forthcoming. Last year, a group of illegals broke out of the camp (at Safi, the old RAF barracks) and held a sit down protest on Luqa's main runway.
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  15. Maharg
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    If there were loads of illegal immigrants at Dover trying to escape to France do you think we'd try and stop them?
  16. walesrob
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    As if such a scenerio would happen anyway - why would they "escape" to France when life is "apparently" better in the UK? Why would they struggle and risk their lives to get to the UK then risk it again to get back to France? :confused: Daft.
  17. Aromulus
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    The scenario is irrilevant to the challenge we face.
  18. Maharg
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    Maybe. But it's not irrelevant to the point made about why the French aren't doing anything to stop them.
  19. Timmers
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    From what I have seen on TV, the vast majority of them do not speak English, as someone mentioned, quite a few come from the old French colonies.
  20. Markham
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    If you want something done about all the potential migrants amassing in the Channel ports, you might wish to vote for the Green Party on May 7th. They propose abolishing all immigration controls and will happily give-away your tax Pounds to anyone from anywhere.

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