Vrrrroooommm... Vrrrooommmm.. The new leader of the pack... Vrrrooommmm....

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Aromulus, Sep 12, 2015.

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  1. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I agree with your statement 100%

    If we can clearly see that, why can't they?

    They must wear political goggles (cant see outside the Houses of Parliament) if that is even a term :)
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  2. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    I know it must seem strange but that is because men of principle and conviction are not motivated by the notion of power at any cost, our health service ,old age pensions ,children not being stuck up chimneys are the results of such people at the moment the lie of self interest has been bought wholesale by the electorate, we have always been interdependent and what harms one harms all I dont think the "goggles" are being worn by Jeremy :p
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    I don't discount his motivation and his sincerity for that matter, I believe that he deeply believes in his policies to the extent where he doesn't see how ridiculous and outdated they are.

    The Labour party should have taken the leadership contest as a way to move on from the past and to take the party in a different direction which would have been more palatable to the UK voter, in electing JC they have just stepped into the tardis and gone back in time thirty years. As a lifelong Labour voter I'm a little disappointed to say the least. I think because of JCs success in becoming the leader of the Labour party the door is now open for the Liberals to make an unforeseen comeback from their disastrous show at the last General Election.

    I really would have liked to have seen a younger and fresher candidate come through the leadership contest with fresh ideas and fresh appeal to the voters.
  4. KeithAngel
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    You would have to be M.A.D. to want to spend 100 billion on trident

    60% think nationalised transport is a good Idea Energy too which has always been a false market

    Instead of printing money to give to bankers build homes an investment that keeps paying for itself (if you dont nuke them) does that seem radical or common sense?
  5. Aromulus
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    Unfortunately effective means of defense like trident don't come cheap.
    I am sorry, but if one cannot see the value of such a deterrent then must be blinkered.

    I don't want that my kids would have to learn to speak russian.
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    That will be the least of our kids and there kids problems Dom I have no objection to us creating a low cost super bug that will depopulate the world if anyone invades us same result and after all better dead than red huh :rolleyes:
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    It is the first priority of any Nations Government to protect its citizens, if that means spending a 100 or 200 billion then that's the way its got to be, there is no price on National security.

    Our nuclear deterrent is just that, it makes prospective aggressors think twice, it is possibly the case that our nuclear deterrent has already done its job and we never heard anything about it in the media. Recent events in the Ukraine and Syria stand as a reminder that the Russians are still a force to be reckoned with and they still pose a significant threat to our National security.

    Nuclear arms IMO have kept the bear from the door for the last fifty years, Britain's nuclear armaments may be limited compared to Russia and the US but combined with the other EU countries like France, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands who also have nuclear missiles we can still give Putin something to think about before he considers a nuclear exchange. If there were no nuclear missiles then I believe that we would have already had WW3, started of course by Russia.
  8. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    World War 3 has by some perspectives been waged since Korea in the 50,s now more often by proxies If you want to threaten depopulation as a "deterrent" as I previously said much cheaper to threaten Armageddon with virus (perhaps Iraq will invade looking for WMD,s)than a piffling 60 warheads , its suicide either way:)
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    Corbyn's election success is as a result of the three quid supporters, the hard left who had either left the Labour Party voluntarily or, like Derek Hatton and Militant Tendency, were thrown-out. The Labour Party returns to being a party of protest, not one of government. A man who supports our country's enemies should be disqualified from being a Privy Counsellor and is certainly not fit to govern.

    A return to the politics of the 1970s should fill everyone with dread. A decade of strikes, the three-day week, power cuts - no thanks! Added to which Corbyn would axe our armed forces, surrender the Falklands' sovereignty, leave NATO, re-nationalise the railways and utilities without compensation and bankrupt the nation well and truly. Again, no thanks.

    We have the Milibands to thank for all this: the young and impressionable Jeremy Corbin spent part of his formative years being groomed in Marxism by Ralph Miliband, Ed and David's father, and it was Ed Miliband who changed the Party's rules for selecting its leader, without which the result would have been very different.
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  10. Dave_E
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    Seems a bit of a dangerous nutcase,
    but is he on the same wavelength as that nice Nigel chap, re withdrawal from the evil German led EU?
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    florgeW Lady Mod Senior Member

    *** is just lurking and reading as I may be able to vote in the next election. Good read! ***
  12. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i think you will find the conservative party have masterminded and financed Mr Corbyn's success.
  13. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Not factually true Mark , how unrigorous of you and Murdock's press :D


    Labour Party Leadership


    Results 1st Stage Members Registered Supporters Affiliated Supporters Total % of Valid Vote
    BURNHAM, Andy 55,698 6,160 18,604 80,462 19.0%
    COOPER, Yvette 54,470 8,415 9,043 71,928 17.0%
    CORBYN, Jeremy 121,751 88,449 41,217 251,417 59.5%
    KENDALL, Liz 13,601 2,574 2,682 18,857 4.5%
    TOTAL 245,520 105,598 71,546 422,664

    http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election
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