The Utah, USA Online Marriage

Since Covid has halted marriages, a friend of ours is arranging for his Filipina to marry him online https://clerk.utahcounty.gov/app/marriage-application/ the marriage is recognised in the USA.
The Philippines, as I hear have to recognise this marriage license.

So if you are having problems either visiting the Philippines to marry your partner and want to prove the relationship, this is a route you may consider.

What do you think of this quick fix?

one of the couple need to live in Utah

no the Philippines dont have to recognise the marriage.

Applicants do not have to be residents of the State of Utah to obtain a marriage license. source

Can a foreigner file the recognition of foreign divorce case in the Philippines?
Art. 26 of the Family Code allows recognition of a foreign divorce obtained by the foreigner spouse abroad. Even before the advent of the Family Code, the Supreme Court, in the case of Van Dorn vs. Romillo [G.R.
Источник: https://visithalongvietnam.com/sout...-marriages-recognized-in-the-philippines.html

I suggest that is is possible

https://onlineweddingsutah.com/all-your-questions-about-online-marriage

Yes it looks like that however there are a number of loopholes that the good old immigration could pick up on see the link.

Not sure why you've quoted divorce recognition unless the proposed marriage is doomed from the outset!

This has nothing to do with divorce - it was just a link where I obtained the previous info form.

The point is that it just shows the flexibility that Cod has given, I wonder if online marriage is the way forward?

This is the present for you Mattecube

i dont except gifts from strangers................sorry

The Latter-day Saints, as they are commonly called, are divided into two major groups, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons), with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah, and The Reorganised Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with headquarters in Independence, Missouri. Today, over 167 years after the movement’s founding, the Mormons own considerable stock in the agricultural and industrial wealth of America and circle the earth in missionary activities, energetically rivalling evangelical Christianity. The former group, which is the main concern of this chapter, claims a membership in excess of nine million (Ensign Magazine, May 1995, 22). The Reorganised Church has just over 240,000 members world-wide and has won acceptance in some quarters as a "sect of fundamentalism." The Reorganised Church, which rejects the name "Mormon," is briefly reviewed in this chapter, but there can be little doubt that it is composed of a zealous group of dedicated people. They irritate the Utah Mormon Church consistently by pointing out that court decisions have established their claim that they are the true church and Utah the schismatic. From its founding, the Mormon Church has been characterised by thriftiness, zeal, and an admirable missionary spirit, as even before the advent of World War II, it had more than 2,000 missionaries active on all the mission fields of the world. Since the close of World War II, however, and in keeping with the acceleration of cult propaganda everywhere, the Mormons have around 50,000 "missionaries" active today. The missionary effort of the Mormon Church is seldom matched by any other religious endeavour. The young Mormon children are taught from primary age onward that it is their duty to the church to serve a mission following high school. The entire missionary force is broken down into the following percentages: 75 percent single males, 19 percent single females, and 6 percent married couples. One interesting fact, however, accounts for this large missionary force, and that is the practice of the Mormon Church to encourage its most promising young people, boys aged nineteen and older and girls aged twenty-one and older, to perform missionary work. Only in recent years did the Mormon Church begin to subsidise the expenses of their American and Canadian missionaries. Membership in the Mormon Church now increases each year at an average rate of 300,000 conversions and 75,000 children’s baptisms. The Mormons have a birth-rate of 28.1 per thousand, in contrast to the average 15.9 birth-rate of the United States. 1 According to the teaching of the Mormon Church, Mormons are to preserve their bodies always in the best of health and are cautioned against the use of tobacco and alcohol, and even the drinking of tea, coffee, and other caffeine-bearing drinks, such as Coca-Cola.......
Thus it is that when Joseph Smith Jr., the Mormon prophet, and his successor, Brigham Young, wished to implement doctrines or changes of practice in the Mormon Church, they prefaced their remarks with proclamations that God had revealed to them the necessity of such doctrines or practices among the "saints."
Were you suggesting by any chance that the Mormons could win the world by their birth rate??????

nice bit of cut and paste there Larry.

of course humbug! so what have the American's done exactly - they got rid of in part the ceremony, and they created online as the way forward - what does this mean for countries like the Philippines, a way for the partners to visit their wives / husbands in the Philippines and obtain the 9a visa?
A way for Americans to double their income without visiting the Philippines......... The US will pay more be if the US citizen is married, and with children........
Is online marriage the way forward globally .......

When love can't wait!

Hi Larry,

Hope you don't mind but I had to copy and paste your text into a format that I, and perhaps others, can read more easily:
It looks like your text was part of someone's online "conversation".


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The Latter-day Saints, as they are commonly called, are divided into two major groups, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons), with headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah, and The Reorganised Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with headquarters in Independence, Missouri.
Today, over 167 years after the movement’s founding, the Mormons own considerable stock in the agricultural and industrial wealth of America and circle the earth in missionary activities, energetically rivalling evangelical Christianity.
The former group, which is the main concern of this chapter, claims a membership in excess of nine million (Ensign Magazine, May 1995, 22).

The Reorganised Church has just over 240,000 members world-wide and has won acceptance in some quarters as a "sect of fundamentalism."
The Reorganised Church, which rejects the name "Mormon," is briefly reviewed in this chapter, but there can be little doubt that it is composed of a zealous group of dedicated people. They irritate the Utah Mormon Church consistently by pointing out that court decisions have established their claim that they are the true church and Utah the schismatic.

From its founding, the Mormon Church has been characterised by thriftiness, zeal, and an admirable missionary spirit, as even before the advent of World War II, it had more than 2,000 missionaries active on all the mission fields of the world. Since the close of World War II, however, and in keeping with the acceleration of cult propaganda everywhere, the Mormons have around 50,000 "missionaries" active today. The missionary effort of the Mormon Church is seldom matched by any other religious endeavour.
The young Mormon children are taught from primary age onward that it is their duty to the church to serve a mission following high school. The entire missionary force is broken down into the following percentages: 75 percent single males, 19 percent single females, and 6 percent married couples.
One interesting fact, however, accounts for this large missionary force, and that is the practice of the Mormon Church to encourage its most promising young people, boys aged nineteen and older and girls aged twenty-one and older, to perform missionary work.

Only in recent years did the Mormon Church begin to subsidise the expenses of their American and Canadian missionaries.
Membership in the Mormon Church now increases each year at an average rate of 300,000 conversions and 75,000 children’s baptisms.
The Mormons have a birth-rate of 28.1 per thousand, in contrast to the average 15.9 birth-rate of the United States.
According to the teaching of the Mormon Church, Mormons are to preserve their bodies always in the best of health and are cautioned against the use of tobacco and alcohol, and even the drinking of tea, coffee, and other caffeine-bearing drinks, such as Coca-Cola.......

Thus it is that when Joseph Smith Jr., the Mormon prophet, and his successor, Brigham Young, wished to implement doctrines or changes of practice in the Mormon Church, they prefaced their remarks with proclamations that God had revealed to them the necessity of such doctrines or practices among the "saints."

Were you suggesting by any chance that the Mormons could win the world by their birth rate??????

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FWIW, many years ago, I was once in Punta Arenas in the Chilean Antarctic region near Tierra del Fuego, when two American men from "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" knocked on the door of the house I was sharing with a friend from Brazil.

It was the only time I have met Mormons.

We opened our door to them and the two men presented us with a book of text and photographs to follow as they read the same.
About five minutes in, I was getting rather bored but was rescued by the local Chilean electric company which could not keep our lights on in another power cut.

I bet the ECO's have their work cut out with any spousal visas that are processed after these online marriages

Imagine the scenario.

Loved up couple but never met(we have had some on here) decide" I know we will do the Utah marriagethen apply for a visa" great they think.

Open application as a happily married couple ( still not met)
One of the first questions
When did you meet your partner ( we know an online meet is passable)
Next question
When did you last see your partner (this is a physical meet)

End of application.Still they are happily married.

Church attendances have already dropped dramatically in Britain.
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_in_Britain

re: UK - Secularisation and decline.
Historians agree that in the late 1940s Britain was a Christian nation, with its religiosity reinforced by the wartime experience. Peter Forster found that in answering pollsters the English reported an overwhelming belief in the truth of Christianity, a high respect for it, and a strong association between it and moral behaviour.[83] Peter Hennessy argued that long-held attitudes did not stop change; by midcentury: "Britain was still a Christian country only in a vague attitudinal sense, belief generally being more a residual husk than the kernel of conviction."[84] Kenneth O. Morgan agreed, noting that: "the Protestant churches. Anglican, and more especially non-conformist, all felt the pressure of falling numbers and of secular challenges....Even the drab Sabbath of Wales and Scotland was under some threat, with pressure for opening cinemas in Wales and golf-courses in Scotland."[85]

Harrison reports that the forces of secularisation grew rapidly, and by the 1990s Protestantism cast a thin shadow of its 1945 strength. Compared to Western Europe, Britain stood at the lower end of attendance at religious services, and near the top in people claiming ‘no religion’. While 80 per cent of Britons in 1950 said they were Christians, only 64 per cent did so in 2000. Brian Harrison states:

By every measure (number of churches, number of parish clergy, church attendance, Easter Day communicants, number of church marriages, membership as a proportion of the adult population) the Church of England was in decline after 1970. In 1985 there were only half as many parish clergy as in 1900.[86] Also, while in the 2001 census still 72 per cent of British population identified as Christians, in 2011 only 59 per cent did so.[87][88]

According to the 2018 British Social Attitudes Survey, Britain is now majority irreligious.[89]

Churches will still have to bury bodies although three times more people prefer cremation to burial:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37105212

Go to a church in London, African's, Filipinos and suchlike in abundance, hallelujah brother, brits have wised up to the con, but if it makes cult members happy so be it

As you indicated previously, money into the coffers will alleviate the decline.
Confession exonerates people who make mischief too.

Tip of the day...... No comment always, never confess, its up to them to find out your sins rather than you to volunteer them

Yes, but in a non-religious sense.
I edited my bad grammar but the catholic church has tenets.

Is that a type of lager?

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noun
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My father died recently and the priest came to the wake at the pub.
A very nice man.
He enjoyed his pints, as he should.