The Islamic State (ISIS)

After watching the video I can say categorically say that they are all NUTS!

I have never heard the word God spoken so much, seems like they hide behind that word and use it condone all their atrocities. "Infidels" they call all of us in the west, "Murderers and terrorist" that's what I call them, I fear we will never eradicate or irradiate these people from our planet as they deserve. Tragic to see so many young boys drawn into the conflict and used as propaganda, prompted especially by their fathers

How can people be so brainwashed, is it poverty or their religious leaders that leads them down this path?

Nuclear bomb...

Or did you mean eradicate?

A spelling mistake, but very apt to the topic

I'd certainly agree with the idea of nuking them but they are always mixed amongst innocent civilians.

The video was quite disturbing to watch as all of the same nature are. I think what frightens me most is the thought that we are never going to see an end of these people, it will only get worst as time goes by.

Fundamentalists /extremists in every religion are dangerous.
As usual, the west will insert puppet regimes to slow extremists.
These seeds were planted many generations ago.
They may appear "nuts" to some but they are far from it; they are highly motivated.
Security forces around the world will be monitoring the situation.

Sadly, the brainwashing has been done to the west by the west.
ISIS are now called IS, BTW.

I think it is very simple; they must be exterminated. Literally. And when the nutters have all been killed a programme of de- islamification, similar to de-nazification, should be undertaken.

This will not be very difficult; they are just playing at war like nasty children. In the video i see what I first saw in the Iran/Iraq war, a lack of seriousness about the whole thing, on boith sides. You notice that the IS forces have tanks, yet they are afraid of a sniper in a tall building. They spin an APV on its tracks, spewing black smoke and wearing the tracks out, just in order to show off.

Typical Arabs. See Lawrence's description of the Arab armies occupying Damascus and being unable to start the generators in the power station, in 1918, for an earlier example.
Just kids showing off - but murderous, vicious, sub-human children.

Any respectable army can see these kids off.

Wittering on about it is pointless; just kill them.

I think we can be reasonably confident that there are expensive lawyers in the UK who are looking at EU and English law with a view to ensuring that their as-yet-unrecruited-jihadist-clients do not face arrest and imprisonment upon their return to these shores. If the government - any government - is to protect its citizens, then we absolutely must withdraw from ECHR and enact our own Bill of Rights along the American model. Why? Because the EU states that ECHR's provisions have supremacy over any other legal provisions and it will not be difficult for Jihadists to re-enter Britain, threaten to
wreak death and destruction and seek to establish a caliphate here - the dream of all Muslims living in the UK. In fact, they probably won't even be stopped by Immigration as they're British passport holders.

The British Muslim community, who have very recently staged demonstrations regarding Israeli action against Hamas, remain completely silent and won't criticize or condemn the current wave of Muslim fundamentalism in Syria/Iraq, Kenya or Libya. By refusing to speak-out or demonstrate against Islamic fundamentalism, they tacitly accept and legitimise the terrorists' actions being carried-out in the name of their shared deity. The vast majority of British Muslims want Sharia law - remember Blair nearly gave them that - and it has been their long dream for the European Caliphate to be established in the UK.

Our Prime Minister and the American President are of the opinion that photo-ops at Portuguese fish markets and improving one's putting are far more important than running their countries at times of crises. And they both have form for that tendency. Cameron may have cut short his first summer holiday by a staggering twelve hours but his "boss" continues to strut around Martha's Vineyard's golf courses, having announced "job done" regarding the Yazikis; that Obama claim has been rebutted by both the UN and local (Iraqi) politicians. Cameron has no option but to state that Britain will not be involved militarily because he has supervised the most vicious cuts in military spending since the end of the cold war. Our army has been cut by 20% in manpower over the last 4 years and we no longer have a single aircraft carrier. It would be sheer lunacy for us to attempt to fight any war (Putin knows that and may be one reason he has become so emboldened of late) and not only because our non-combatant civil servants believe toilet rolls are more important than flak jackets and "we'll save a few bob by shipping soft-sided Land Rovers rather than armoured personnel carriers" - which is what happened in both Gulf Wars. (If you're looking down the barrel of a gun from the wrong end, you're not wearing a flak jacket and your ammo is sitting on a container ship in the Suez Canal, then an over-abundance of toilet rolls may be advantageous!)

No, we merely have to declare war on "The Islamic State".

The moment we do so, any British citizens fighting for the Islamic State become adherent to The Queen's Enemies and thus by definition traitors.

I don't think the Islamic State is recognised as an entity (ie a country) by any other country, is it, so hard to declare war on a country that doesn't exist!

The last person to be tried for High Treason was William Joyce - better known as "Lord Haw-Haw" - who was hanged at Wandsworth Prison in 1946. Unfortunately, that tariff is no longer available to Judges, so in the unlikely event that any Jihadist would be convicted of Treason, he can expect to be housed in some luxury at Her Majesty's pleasure on a "Life" sentence - but that would not be for the remainder of his natural life. That is unless his lawyer manages to convince the Judge that his client is actually a victim and should be compensated for being brainwashed and made to fight in an illegal war!

"The prime minister suggested that anyone walking around in the UK with an Islamic state flag should be arrested."

Speaking on Radio 5 live, communities minister Stephen Williams said any British citizen encouraging people to join IS should face "the full force of the law".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28823281

On what grounds exactly? In this increasingly politically-correct nation, you are far more likely to be in trouble for flying the Union Jack outside your house than any other flag. And that is a fact.

What force of the law? I am sure they are quaking in their boots! This numpty is supposed to be a minister of the same government that has had huge problems in deporting hatred-preaching Muslim clerics including Qatada. The law protects them and where freedom of speech ends, Human Rights legislation takes over. Seems like Mr Williams is one of those who "clock-on" at the Commons just long enough to get their allowances and expenses.

IS and all the Shia/Sunni problems only cause greater division in the Muslim world.
Israeli aggression continues in Palestine.

Saudi Arabia tells Israel only peace can ensure its survival:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/12/uk-mideast-gaza-oic-idUKKBN0GC15W20140812

I like the new British shipping flag Andrew as your avatar, very bright indeed

If I'm not mistaken, it's one of Swire Group's House flags.

At the beginning of the 20th Century, Joseph Chamberlain - the then British Colonial Secretary - offered 5,000 square miles of uplands plateau in Kenya to the Zionists for consideration as the future state of Israel. Had the Zionists not rejected it, there would likely be no armed conflicts between Arabs and Jews - nor the consequent knock-on effect in relationships between Muslim arabs and the US and her allies.

You are both correct; the Swire Group is the biggest shipowner in Britain today, but you will not find its ships under the British flag; they have not been since 1972 when, a hundred years after the Swire family entered merchant shipping, the National Unon of Seamen demanded the "right" to man the SD14 "Erawan" being built at Austin and Pickersgill. Since no ship in the fleet had ever carried British ratings*, the answer was that the entire fleet was reflagged and carried on with the crews that they already had. Chinese, Filipino, Niugini, Tuvaluan, Fijian, SriLankan.

*The rule was and is "colour blind but certificate sensitive" - i.e. officers must carry British certificates of competency. I have known a Tuvaluan in command of a Swire ships and a Kiwi woman ditto - and both were excellent.

A nice debate with many shades of opinion present.