In Remembrance.

Apo was simply being inclusive and without the "foreign Islamic wars." we wouldnt have to remember either

It is the armed forces that have brought carnage to our streets. The many thousands of killings in other countries come back to haunt us. There was a huge demonstration against invading Iraq but the government did not take heed.
Reality is not something you appear to comprehend; if you had previous conversations with either British OR Filipino MODERATE Muslims, you would have a more moderate viewpoint yourself.

Be careful speaking with Filipinos...
You don't know if they are Muslims from Mindinao

Someone else who refuses to see that it is EVERYTHING to do with foreign Islamic wars.
As a frequent traveller I'd have thought you'd have gained a much fairer World view. Dear me

It is not the armed forces at all! They do as they are requested by the government of the day, I doubt squaddie Joe has very little input into where he serves.

Squaddie Joe is still responcible for his or her choices unless you think they are robots?

Not at all!

I think most ordinary decent Brits (and that is probably 95% of them) have always simply wanted to keep trouble-making trash out of our country. Successive governments have clearly failed miserably on that score.

There will always be extremists from both left and right who insist upon having their nonsense heard. Very few murders and 'atrocities' coming from their direction though.

For the vast majority of those, we know where to look.

Very wrong.
I will not comment further here because this is a simple Remembrance thread and I do not think it the appropriate or respectful thing to do.
If you wish to discuss your views further with me, then please,do open a new thread of messages with a different topic heading.

“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”

― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

Squaddie Joe doesnt decide where he/she is sent but has to be able to justify the use of force, I was following orders is not a defense

Squaddies embody the policies of the government and squaddies are the visible enemy to people in other countries.

Yes it was a "thinly disguised way" because his track record is Islamophobic.
Most recently posting about a racist thug; it is an agenda that he promotes continually.

Muslims in their own countries do not wish to be invaded. Is that not trouble-making?

Muslims murdered in their own countries by foreigners don't want their own people forgotten either, and it is not just hundreds of people but hundreds of thousands.

From Wiki:
Estimates of the casualties from the conflict in Iraq (beginning with the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, and the ensuing occupation and insurgency) have come in several forms, and those estimates of different types of Iraq War casualties vary greatly.

Casualty estimates range from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006 (per the Iraq Family Health Survey) to 461,000 total deaths as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), over 60% of the latter being violent.[1] Other estimates, which are disputed in the scientific community, such as the 2006 Lancet study and the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey put the numbers as high as 655,000 total deaths as of June 2006 (over 90% of them violent) and 1.2 million violent deaths as of August 2007 respectively. Body counts — which underestimate mortality — counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press). The Iraq Body Count project documents 183,249 – 205,785 violent civilian deaths through to February 2019.[1]

@aposhark can you give it a rest.

If you think it good that innocent people were murdered in the Manchester arena, and that Lee Rugby deserved to die because he dedicated his life to serving my country then just say it and f.off.

Why are you picking on Muslims?

Dave_E,
I must have really rattled your cage recently by the tone of your remarks

As long as there is racism and Islamophobia anywhere, I will not "give it a rest".... I ...…. STAND UP TO IT.
This political forum seems to be infected with racism and Islamophobia and, left unchecked, will sour what is a wonderful forum.

I DID NOT SAY that it is good that "innocent people were murdered in the Manchester arena, and that Lee Rugby deserved to die".

I was horrified and deeply upset by those tragedies, but I am also deeply upset by the tragic loss of life in the Muslim world, after working in so many Muslim countries and having friends there. I also get on well with the Muslim people I have met in the UK, and there are millions of moderate British Muslims who abhor the violence here and abroad, as much as I do.

I have been on this forum and a previous one a long time and feel that the moderate members here know what my feelings are about certain issues.
There are people here who, sadly, are Islamophobic and who follow known racists but, luckily, there are many people on this forum and in the UK who do not subscribe to the hate that racism could perpetrate if people do not stand up to it.

I doubt very much that the Islamophobic members here have ever had any real meaningful conversations with moderate Muslims because, if they did, they would not see the world through the narrow-minded viewpoint that is obvious to moderate people here and in the wider world.

So, try your very best to read what I write and try not to invent things that don't exist.
It can't be as difficult as it seems for you at present