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Global warming and science consensus data.

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Januarius, Jun 14, 2013.

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    Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory.

    In 2004, history professor Naomi Oreskes performed a survey of research papers on climate change. Examining peer-reviewed papers published on the ISI Web of Science database from 1993 to 2003, she found a majority supported the "consensus view," defined as humans were having at least some effect on global climate change. Oreskes' work has been repeatedly cited, but as some of its data is now nearly 15 years old, its conclusions are becoming somewhat dated.

    Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research. Using the same database and search terms as Oreskes, he examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. The results have been submitted to the journal Energy and Environment, of which DailyTech has obtained a pre-publication copy. The figures are surprising.

    Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. This is no "consensus."

    The figures are even more shocking when one remembers the watered-down definition of consensus here. Not only does it not require supporting that man is the "primary" cause of warming, but it doesn't require any belief or support for "catastrophic" global warming. In fact of all papers published in this period (2004 to February 2007), only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results.


    http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Les...Endorse+Global+Warming+Theory/article8641.htm
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    When Scientists Behave Like Bullies

    http://www.sfgate.co...ies-3279533.php

    This just in from the Times of London: After the leak of highly embarrassing e-mail messages from the of East Anglia's influential Climatic Research Unit, CRU has been forced to admit that it dumped "the original raw" climate data used to bolster the case for human-caused global warming, while retaining onlthe "value-added" - read: massaged - data.

    In short, the CRU dumped the scientific data, but archived information that supports its conclusions. "It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years," wrote Times environment editor Jonathan Leake.

    Of course global warming skeptics see Climategate as vindication. For years, global warming activists have maintained that they alone could claim the mantle of dispassionate science, while skeptics were venal, nutty or both.

    The publication of these e-mails puts an end to that happy conceit, as they reveal a small cabal of scientists obsessed with obliterating dissenting scholarship and destroying the reputations of any who stood in their way.
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    Climatic changes on earth are as old as the hills.
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    Older than the hills in fact!
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    But what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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    I wouldn`t be suprised!!
    (at the "science" anyway!!)
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    Not sure what you mean here? You aren't surprised at the science of cows flatulence and any link to global warming? Or science in general?
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    To make it clear.. I agree with the general scientific consensus. Im a bit of a sceptic!!
    I also like to eat Beef without having to pay the earth for it..
    To that end and to help keep the C02/climate debaters happy(ish), I wouldn`t mind seeing every cow in the world fitted with this.



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    LOL. Why not strap a cow to ones car eh! Would certainly cut down our reliance on fossil fuels.
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    Yeah I wasn't going to comment until you made it clear that you thought this was the consensus, sorry but that is far from the true position.

    You quoted an article that refers to a review by a history professor of published papers between 1993 and 2003 and then a rework of this that was done by a medical researcher over a three year period of published papers?

    So a history professor is considered a "scientist" competent to peer review the work of climate scientists? And likewise a medical researcher is competent enough to assess 3 years published work that's not part of his field?

    Wiki is no authority either but at least it reports a decent amount of information on climate change and our impact on it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

    I don't go for conspiracy theories mate, and I do understand scientific debate, sadly too many people think that yes and no black and white answers should be provided by the scientific community and it does not work like that never has.

    So many say things like "well it's only a theory" regards so many aspects of science as if that somehow made it subject to their opinion, Newton's law of gravity for example, it is ONLY a theory yes, but it's not wrong and it won't ever be wrong but it does not explain everything about gravity, it was superseded and extended in 1916 because it did not deal with things that moved very very quickly but Einstein did not prove Newton wrong he couldn't because Newton was demonstrably right, cannonballs hit their target, apples fell predictably, car crashes always obey Newton's equations.

    People still think that Einstein was wrong his work also was "only" a theory, really hate it when people use the "only" word shows they just don't understand the world we live in, anyway people think Einstein is wrong and that someone will come along and completely replace General Relativity and Special Relativity in spite of the fact that hundred's of thousands of Japanese died in two balls of nuclear plasma in 1945, a direct result of Einsteins work on Special Relativity in 1905.

    Climate science arguments are discussed in the probabilistic fashion that is always used by scientists that does not imply a lack of certainty, the public draw a lack of certainty from such discussions because they do not speak the same language as the scientist and frankly because the public is not well enough educated in maths or science to be able to understand.

    Unfortunately the issues raised by Climate Science will not wait for a better educated generation and the choices we make now will decide if that better educated generation ever gets a chance to develop.
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    Yes, Born Bankrupt

    Scientists eh? Who needs em. Tsk tsk.

    Here's a wee effort by the IOM government in conjunction with the University of Durham to help reduce the use of fossil fuels in the future:

    http://www.dur.ac.uk/dei/biofuelsresearch/isleofman/

    http://www.foe.org.im/Seaweed-HCG_IoM_Apr12v2.pdf


    And something similar in Bantayan Island:

    http://asianchicken.wordpress.com/2...-power-for-bantayan-island-cebu-june-23-2011/
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    Thin Ice - Showing at a Movie Centre near you.....

    http://climate.gov.ph/



    Movie review: With climate change we're all skating on 'Thin Ice'

    “Climate change” and “global warming” are terms we hear often these days. They are especially relevant in this year's celebration of Earth Day, and also because they're some of the biggest global issues that nations have committed to understand and address.

    Last April 22nd (also Earth Day) the Philippines’ Climate Change Commission, the Embassies of the United Kingdom and New Zealand in Manila, and SM Supermalls sponsored a film screening of “Thin Ice: The Inside Story of Climate Science” as part of a global initiative.


    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...-climate-change-we-re-all-skating-on-thin-ice
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    Thanks OSS..Hell of a post that!! You sound like you think you know your stuff!!
    Im not really a conspiracy theory nut but I do think that each and every one of these things need to be debunked thoroughly before completely dismissing them.
    The main problem I have is trust.. Its a fact that I do not trust politicians full stop these days.. To me they are nasty little men with agenda`s to fulfill.
    If they want to screw us by charging us extra taxes to pay for their previous nationwide screw ups, they really need to come up with something convincing these days.. They chose wisely IMO.. Not only that,they have created a new Scientific industry.. Global warming!! Nevermind the silicone chip in the wheely bin thing..Thats small Potatoes!!
    Personally,I don't buy it. .Not even for a second.

    http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php
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    They often tell us.."Dont burn any organic matter"
    Be green and compost it!
    Its better for the planet..
    They issue fines now even in the Philippines for burning organic waste.

    Can anyone explain that one to me?
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    That's great. Love it. Keep guzzling that gas!

    Oss has got it right, it is a complex topic. I was always of the opinion that global warming was just part of a normal cyclicity that has been going on since the dawn of time. The question is to what degree is man adding to those background changes? I suppose if we don't understand the complexities then we end up doubting them.

    Interestingly, not only is the Philippines vulnerable geologically, it is also said to be vulnerable in terms of climate change.
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    "That's great. Love it. Keep guzzling that gas!"

    I use about a gallon of diesel a week.
    I`ll have to look at the latest carbon foot print charts..See how evil Ive been this month compared to you John...
    Need your Petrol/Diesel consumption last month first though!!

    Tell you what.
    Lets make a complete list to get an idea of how destructive we have become individually..
    There`s probably a green online carbon emission general household calculator somewhere!!
    I`m up for it!!
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    It wouldn't work. I use a bicycle.

    I am not really looking at such things from a personal level.

    I have a bunch of special reasons why I find this kind of topic ironic and fascinating. Hence my interest. I am not a disbeliever in "climate change". I listen with open ears and an open mind. Back here in the UK the politicians don't seem to be paying much heed to the Green movement, at least not in the UK (though they are in IOM). Are they faring any better in the Philippines? As far as I have seen, not so.
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    I believe from a personal observation, that they are.
    Green issues now play a bigger part on a general Barangay meeting here in the provinces than ever before..
    These agendas all come through via central government in Manila.
    Cities like Imus in Cavite have burning of organic waste and general rubbish bans etc with large fines imposed..
    This means that the disposal areas like Smokey mountain will get higher.
    The thing that is most needed in Manila is a huge modern incinerator that produces power for the national grid..
    Problem is that the local do gooders with contacts with European and US politicians disagree.
    Me?? I say burn it all and use the waste on reclamation projects around Manila bay.
    Like what they are doing in Singapore.
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