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Gaza and the rise of Anti Semitism

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Kuya, Aug 9, 2014.

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  1. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    If there is one thing I've been over the last month (amongst other things), it has been thinking how pointless the whole Gaza situation is. Don't get me wrong, as far as I can make out Israel is committing war crimes due to their indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas and the massive loss of civilian lives caused by their war machine.

    And isn't it ironic how Britain lobbies for defence contracts to supply weapons of devastating magnitude to Israel and then spends millions on aid to Palestinians who get slaughtered by those weapons British companies sell to them? All with American money of course...

    In all of this bloodshed, I truly believe that Benjamin Netanyahu should be facing charges in the Hague for what he is ordering the Israeli Defence Force to do and the crimes being committed, though I doubt he will ever face more than a few damning articles written by left wing writers.

    And don't get me started on Hamas, they are terrorists who have no problem in killing innocent men, women and children. Though my heart goes out to the people of Gaza, I think we can all agree that Hamas have done as much harm to their cause than anyone else.

    That all said, recent developments worry me. Not least the protests here in Manchester targeting Jewish owned Kedem!

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    I doubt a Jewish cosmetics company has anything to do with the policies of Israel or Benjamin Netanyahu, nor do I think blocking up the high street and damaging their trade (and the trade of all of the nearby stores) helps further the cause for Palestinians!

    There has been a media black out regarding the plight of Gaza by a lot of our media, with those showing the true nature of how many are suffering getting hit with the slur of being an anti-Semite. But the sad truth is that by cheapening the word antisemitism, true anti-Jewish crimes or hatred gets less media coverage as the word gets batted about like a tennis ball at court.

    Jews make up about 0.4% of the British population, Muslims about 4.4% of the population. In all cases both Muslims and Jews tend to be in major cities and towns throughout the UK. Voter chasing politicians will be more susceptible to trying to woo the Muslim vote than the Jewish vote! Plus, Muslims are increasing in numbers but British Jews are declining in their numbers, so at some point due to political pressure I think Britain will stop supporting Israel.

    And in the USA, Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity. I think there will come a time when the Jewish lobby will find themselves outflanked by a pro Muslim and perhaps anti Israeli lobby. Then we could see the USA stop their financial support for Israel.

    And what then?

    Well, if Israel continues this over aggressive stance and doesn't come to a peaceful settlement with the Palestinians soon, we could see the fall of Israel and the rise of Palestine, taking back land taken generations ago.

    But in the immediate future, I think there will be a lot of very real and scary anti Jewish hate crimes in the UK and Europe. Many might go unreported to the police, but we will see them on our streets. I think it is happening right now, but I no longer live in a Jewish area so I can't say for sure.. Though there has been an increase in security outside synagogues throughout Manchester and I suspect the UK in general.
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    Not for a while..

    I fear I am firmly of my late father's view - and he spent a forty year career, including most of WW2, in the Middle East, and spoke both Arabic and Hebrew - that " When you come down to it, there is no difference between an Israeli and a Palestinian"

    I am much more concerned by the ISIS nutters, who have been allowed to get away with far worse atrocities whilst the world's media were preoccupied with Gaza, because Gaza is easy and safe to report from.
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  3. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    The worst is yet to come...........
    Iran may come into play, violently, to curb the expansion of the Jihadists...
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    I see the Americans are involved in keeping ISIS at bay now.
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    ISIS have gone too far.
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    That will be just the start of the escalation for this will turn out to be a war of Sunni against Shia. Iraq is nominally Shia as is Lebanon, Syria, Iran and the smaller Gulf States apart from Qatar which, in common with Saudi Arabia and their terrorist proxies, are Sunni Muslims.

    It is fortunate for us that the House of Commons voted against British action in Syria against its hardline president and his ruthless campaign against the insurgents, ISIS, and for that we should thank the Labour Party. But we should also be highly critical of that party for failing to vote against Blair for his 2003 excursions into Iraq. Neither Saddam Hussein nor the Asads (father and son) were/are particularly pleasant fellows but they were largely successful counters against extremists. Instead we should have aided the innocent third-parties now being victimised by ISIS - the Kurds, the Yazidis and the Christian minority groups.

    I do wonder if ISIS weren't initially sponsored, funded and armed by the rather naive neo-con controlled CIA and tasked with keeping the Syrian army busy and thereby increase Israel's security. If so. like many other US foreign excursions, it's a classic fail.
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Worth noting that Libya is also falling apart.

    I think the Sunni and the Shia have been at each other's throats for quite a while.

    Turkey has been the block on the establishment of Kurdistan; if Recep Tayyip Erdogan (I had to look that up!) wins, as it seems he has, using the Putin trick of switching from PM to President, then we don't need to worry about Turkish sensibilities and can back Kurdistan as a new state.
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    aposhark Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Israel don't do themselves any favours.
    The first step is to get them to start handing back parts of the occupied territories and leave the Israeli built buildings standing that are now there.
  9. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    I think Jerusalem should be an independent state like The Vatican, with no overall control by Jews, Muslims or Christians.

    It would end any one group staking any claim to it if everyone just admitted it belonged to everyone (God's Children).
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    Too many zealots for that to happen.
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