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Fire engulfs tower block in west London

Discussion in 'News from the UK, Europe and the rest of the World' started by Bootsonground, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. Bootsonground
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  2. Bootsonground
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    Every picture tells a story..

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  3. Methersgate
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    Methersgate Well-Known Member Lifetime Member

    Anyone with the name Ligaya is surely a Filipina.
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    The Sun have a reporter pretending to be a friend of a victim in order to get an interview with an injured victim,

    The Daily Mail have today tweeted a picture of "The man whose fridge caused the Grenfell Tower fire"

    Scumbags.
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  7. Dave_E
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    His photo seems to be on many news websites, how can a fridge cause a fire?
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    I know a guy here that had a large(ish)native built Pizza restaurant/ resort..
    The whole place was leveled by an old fridge that caught fire.
    At the time,that was the first I`d heard of such an incident.
    Ironically,the only thing that survived was the innocent pizza oven...That`s because it was made out of fire bricks.
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  9. Bluebird71
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    Beko Freezers were recently recalled because they could cause fires.

    Either way, if the fire was caused by a blown up freezer or other electrical appliance, then the owner is hardly responsible. He certainly shouldn't be cast as a villain like the Daily Mail seem to be doing. Who knows how the public could respond? Who knows how this has affected him mentally?

    Some of these tags acted just as deplorably following Hillsborough.
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  10. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    theres an ongoing problem with Wirlpool tumle dryers a decades worth so say Which
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    Any electrical item can cause fire.

    Had our Indesit tumble drier fixed a few months back. They were causing fires so were recalled (That tumble drier model also caused a fire in a high rise flat). The engineer popped a rivet on the rear of the drum. That rivet stops fluff building up on the rear felt bearing. Took around 8 months to repair ours, massive backlog.

    In my youth I used to repair washing machines.
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  12. Dave_E
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    I don't see any English names there.

    Makes things easier for the British Embassy I suppose.
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    Tony Disson, Dennis Murphy, Sheila Smith, Steve Power?

    Took me less than a minute to find those names from that list, there are likely many others still to be added :(
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    Failure of the bearings in a compressor motor causing overheating, a fridge is just about the safest longest lasting domestic appliance in existence but they do fail, given that they contain a foam insulation blanket as well they have their issues in the event of a failure.

    There are many failure modes apparently even though failure is extremely rare.
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    Ah yes, Smith.

    I guessed two of the others you mention were possibly Irish.
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Talk of revenge not helpful

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    I read that the building was beset by electrical supply problems and there were quite frequent power surges which apparently has caused electrical fires.

    The external cladding, Reynobond PE, is manufactured by Arconic Architectural Products, an American company with a European headquarters in France. Its product brochure quite specifically states that Reynobond PE should not be installed on buildings taller than 10 metres:

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    Grenfell Tower is 67 metres in height. According to a spokesman for the Department for Communities and Local Government, cladding with a flammable core - as was used on Grenfell Tower - was banned on buildings over 18 metres high. No wonder the owners of the two contracting firms, Rydon and Harley, are not making any statements and the couple who own Harley - and their expensive motor vehicles - are not to be found at their millionaires' mansion in East Sussex.

    Somewhat concerning is the refusal of managers responsible for Grenfell Tower to release any details of an updated fire risk assessment carried out on the building after the panels were added last year - even more so as apparently they appointed the cheapest fire safety consultancy they could find and they said they would challenge the fire brigade's report and recommendations over any "excessive" requirements. Furthermore, a fire brigade fire safety inspection that was due to have taken place last year was, apparently, cancelled due to a shortage of personnel.
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  18. oss
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    Yes power cycling is a risk for fridges too.

    Regards the rest I believe a criminal investigation was started a few days ago.
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    https://www.arconic.com/aap/europe/pdf/Our fire solutions_BR36EN_012017.pdf

    Reynobond is specified as an FR or A2 core product in the same document you quoted, the part you quoted does not state a product by the name of Reynobond PE it states that PE cannot be used above 10 metres.

    The simple fact is that people like us searching the internet are not going to understand the details of the cladding industry and we sure as hell are not going to get definitive answers from product PDF's, this is just gossip and noise, there has to be a proper investigation by people qualified to assess what really happened.

    And yes like everyone else I have questions and because I have some technical knowledge that leads to me to want to speculate but I shouldn't because in real terms I know damn all about this industry and even less about what the circumstances surrounding this tragedy really were.

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    As you say..We are not qualified ..
    That said,nothing wrong with simply reading the fire specs that the company use to describe and promote their cladding products..Is there?
    All four panel types on the bottom of that image that you posted are classified as non flammable and NON combustible products. The fire rating they use to validate their claims is an EU A1 and A2 classification. (You will probably have to ZOOM in on the images you posted as the product description and the type face is extremely small)
    That being the case,it should really make the amount of building levels the products are fitted to,a moot point IMO.
    The problem with their non combustible product remains..
    They appear to have mostly been consumed by fire.
    Any of these issues will easily be resolved by investigators reading the signed and approved building plans which should have been subject to very stringent building safety regulations..
    The problem the public inquiry will have is if all these regs adhered to the plan and the actual renovation installation..
    Then,let the blame games begin..
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