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Fiance Visa application, help or advice please

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by RB2004, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    There are a few other fears but that one is pretty large on the radar, I would also worry about healthcare and unemployment, but in general I would do my best not to make any enemies in the first place :)

    David Scott's issues were interesting, they escaped to the UK via Thailand which is a fairly easy destination to get to for a Filipino from a visa standpoint (no visa required for his partner), they sorted out the UK side of in once they got to Thailand if memory serves me right.

    That was only back in 2008 that all that happened to him, his wife is separated from her kids though with little hope of getting back to them for a long time :(
  2. RB2004
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    Yep healthcare is also a worry, one of the only places in Manila where you can get healthcare that matches the nhs is what they call rich persons hospital lol, and it's probably too expensive for us here even.. When you consider the area it is in is littered with all the expensive car dealers like Porsche.. So look to pay equivalent of private healthcare here in pesos.

    Unemployment is also a big one, and even if employed will never earn as much as in the uk
  3. oss
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    A good web developer will earn 600 dollars a month plus benefits, that is frankly lousy, desktop systems devs are earning about the same. The young European's that I know over there working for Filipino IT companies as project managers and the likes are earning in the region of 15-20K GBP which is also pretty lousy, although one chap I know has a good side business providing training in agile project management techniques like Scrum.

    Regards the healthcare, I've had to use those sort of hospitals in the past, both when I have been ill while over there and for the birth of my kids, my daughters birth was much more expensive than my son's but it was a good hospital up in Mandaluyong and they looked after Ana really well.

    (gotta call it a day mate, got work in the morning :) cheers :like:)
  4. Howerd
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    My eyes are opening wider now! I just had a look at the dramatisation of that couple's arrest - it is really scary that a husband could have so much control over the Police.

    It took me ages to figure out why my Mahal did not want me to go back to the Philippines to see her. She used the excuse that it was too difficult for me because of my disability. I got rather annoyed with her because I knew that was not the real reason. I now see that she was just trying to protect me.

    Apparently, a woman in the Philippines can only be charged with adultery if the man she is having an adulterous relationship with is charged at the same time. Adultery carries a sentence of up to 7 years.

    My Mahal recently expressed a wish to come to UK on a visit Visa. I readily agreed until I heard about the possible introduction of the new minimum income limits for sponsors. The priority now is for her to get her annulment and her Fiancée Visa before any income limit changes, but we really do need to meet again as I have only seen her once and that was Xmas 2009.
  5. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    :welcome: and best of luck with the visa application:like:
  6. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    First of all, a belated welcome on the site, very belated looks like.............:oops:

    But better late than never.;)

    In my opinion you shouldn't be scared to fail in the application due to lack of salary slips.
    The ECO will look mainly at what is left in the bank at the end of the month, and if regular payments are going into the account.
    If everything else is well in order, I don't see much of a problem if only 3 slips are there to prove some kind of regular income.
    It can all be explained with an accompanying letter to the ECO, I am sure that he/she will see some sense and not risk the wrath of the courts in case an appeal is lodged there, for some human rights infringements....

    But If your uncle was to own some property in Europe... Then all would be much easier....
  7. Aromulus
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    How about Hong Kong or Singapore.....???
  8. ajisgod2012
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    It seems that after reading this post the the Fiance visa route would be best for me and my filipino girlfriend.
    We can prove our relationship by e-mails, text, letters, facebook, yahoo chats etc. I have visited her and intend to visit again soon and a third time before we apply. I work for a very good american company and earn way above the income limits. I rent a flat which is more than adequate for us because she has no children. She has never been married so that wont be an issue either.

    Does that sound like the ideal criteria for a Fiance visa?
  9. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Better to do some further research on the pro's and con's of the different settlement visa routes before making a final decision.
    There's a lot of good information here on the application process and the needed nitty-gritty.

    By the way there are no income limits.................not just yet.........................maybe soon though.

    Good luck
  10. ajisgod2012
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    Thanks Micawber, this site is very useful and we are looking at all possibilities.
  11. RB2004
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    RB2004 Member

    Hi all, apoligies that I had not replied sooner.

    Thanks for the welcomes to anybody whom I have not yet thanked :)

    Because of my complicated situation regarding finance and having no real income worth noting of my own at present and heavy reliance on external sponsers, I have paid for the services of a UK immigration barrister who have looked at the case and decided to take it on and will hopefully increase the chances of success.

    They said one way around the financial issue would be for my uncle to do a gift of deed, and transfer ownership of a sum of money into my savings account as a temporary measure for the benefit showing sufficient savings to support somebody for 6 months, as presently in the absense of an income I do believe savings are still taken into consideration.

    Hopefully I will have some success.. fingers crossed.

    They have given me a long list of things I need to get together in the way of evidence so Im presently doing this.

    But in complicated situations, if finances permit for what a barrister charges id say its worth it for an increased chance of success.
  12. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    I'm not aiming to be negative here, and I'm not an Immigration advisor, but I would kindly suggest you do some research in this case and also question the advisor you are using as to the possibility of being found to be using deception.
    Any large deposits into your bank account will need to be explained to immigration ECO
    Generally, the reliance on savings as a means of on-going support would need to be sufficient to cover the 6 months of fiancee visa plus 24 months.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I do think you should think about the consequences.

    In principle your uncle could just agree to being a co-sponsor. This may be a better route to discuss with your advisor.

    Whatever you decide to do I wish you good luck
  13. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Agreed Peter, I do not think it is a good idea to pretend that funds exist where they do not really exist, lawyer or no lawyer.
  14. Aromulus
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    Very dodgy lawyer if he recommends to blatantly cheat the system...:erm:

    As an officer of the court he could be in serious trouble for that, methinks...:erm:
  15. RB2004
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    Hi will check this thanks for the feedback.. Obviously I don't intend to intentionally break any laws.. All I want is an amicable solution to the finance problem before they change the law again.

    Nothing has been done yet I'm just uploading my documents to the barrister at the moment and getting everything together.. Pretty much got everything together except the financIal evidence at present.
  16. RB2004
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    Hi all :)

    hope everyone is well.

    Going down the route of using my father as the financial sponser, rather than myself.. I will just be the fiance, with my fiance being the applicant. As I agree with your advice, previous option was not really a good choice and could reflect very badly if things went wrong with the application.

    Hopefully it should be ok, Ive almost finished collecting all the documents together now.

    Got,

    • My Supporting letting including a photo showing I have met some of her relatives and she has met mine (group photo) and stating that we have already started marking plans for the wedding as I have requested she starts to look around for a wedding dress.
    • A supporting letter from my mother
    • Applicant Supporting Letter
    • Applicant Family supporting letter
    • Mortgage statement
    • Original House advert stating room sizes and house details.. apparently this was acceptable.
    • Pass book scan showing £6000 in savings, from 1 bank account, as well as another joint bank account savings account which is jointly my father and uncles account showing £10k, and a certificate of bond - although i understand this is not accepted but the barrister did not disapproved it.
    • My previous passports
    • a certified copy of my current passport
    • my fiance passport
    • passport sized photo of my fiance
    • 9 separate items showing we have met, including photos, airline e-tickets and itineries
    • 8 items showing evidence of a relationship, such as 3 months mobile phone bills showing text messages, engagement ring reciept and order confirmation and a scan of a valentines card I sent her this year
    • Pearson PTE-Academic Test results - 60 overall score, 63 on listening, 56 reading, 80 speaking, 52 writing, already submitted to UKBA.

    Could not find any way to prove a wedding will take place? also im still undecided if we will get married in a catholic church or registry office... reason being is, if its possible to get married ,instead of just recieving a blessing, inside a catholic church later on in the future in the philippines.. then we will get married in a registry office here in the UK, because catholic belief is you can only be married once inside a church.. further marriages to the same person would just count as renewal of vows.. so even if we are legally married.. as catholics the only marriage that is acknowledged from a religious point of view would be that which takes place inside a church.

    However, IF in the Philippines, once married here in the UK...a priest will not marry us inside a church there, but rather only give us a blessing, then we will get married in a catholic church in the UK to begin with.

    but the reason for getting married in a church in the UK being my 2nd preference is that I feel that if we are to get married inside a church it should be done properly, with her friends, father and relatives present to give her away to me properly. But that would be hugely more expensive to get married in the Philippines in this way than here in the UK.. so our plan is once we are legally married we will both save together and then after maybe 2 years go back to the Philippines and have the church wedding.

    Seems confusing, and maybe stupid or silly to some lol.. a marriage is just a marriage eh? but while im not really a devout catholic, I was raised as one.. and she is more catholic than I am.. so to me, I feel like marrying here in the UK im already depriving her and her family of sharing that wedding... so in my mind, when we get married inside a church.. it should be with her father giving her away to me, and her friends and family around her.... which is why I prefer our uk wedding to be inside a registry office.. but if it is not possible to have a wedding in a church in the Philippines, but rather instead just a blessing.. I would have to settle for that, and we will make our vows inside a church here in the UK.

    Only things left im waiting for is my CNI, which im going to speak to registrar about tomorrow morning, I understand they put a notice of intent to marry on their noticeboard for 22 days then issue this? and her CENOMAR which I understand takes only about 3-7 days to be delivered to her door and can be ordered online from the NSO.

    Think everything else is already sorted out and in order... hope so!

    is there anything I have missed?

    once ive got those 2 documents, hopefully the barrister can compile the application.. I hope it will be successfull :)

    Really getting excited now, lol we both are, how long roughly does processing take? i understand up to 3-4 months?

    in which case if successfull she maybe here by christmas... I will be travelling to the Philippines to bring her back with me with a bit of luck lol.. she was a little scared on a short flight to Iloilo as she had never flown before so I didnt really want to put her on a longhaul 17 hour flight on her own especially knowing how much turbulance there can be over the bay of bengal... also feel it would be better if im with her when she passes through immigration at heathrow because of how strict they are now, and by me being with her it will give her extra baggage allowance.

    from above, do you think I have a good case? or not? I dont like the thought of having to appeal :( want to get this right first time hopefully.

    Thank you everyone! for the warm welcoming you have all given me, support, help and advice :)

    I cant tell you how much it has been appreciated.
  17. RB2004
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    hi all, just as I thought we had all the documents sorted, because they never requested these other documents from us.

    But from reading around, seems we need to get an NBI certificate, and Birth Certificate also sorted.
    might as well get the police check done as well I guess while at it.

    didnt think to get those as they was never requested, but from reading around looks like it is needed.
  18. redbricks
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    do you know that if you are a limited company you just need a tax print out pluss a calculation from your accountant, no 2 or 3 years books and your accountant can just forcast you estimated turnover , but you will have to go limited company it would cost you 3 to 4 hundred pounds to do that, but its one way round the 3 years books, as then you are working for your own company
  19. RB2004
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    RB2004 Member

    Hi, unfortunately I'm not a limited company :( and even if I was my tax printout and accountant calculations in that situation would still show a low income :(
  20. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Not if your uncle where to "invest" in what your doing and you recieved a wage/salary

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