Oh no we wouldn't! Corbyn would remove all border controls and let every Tom, Dick and Harry in. Where are they all going to live?
So how about we remain and push for reform of the EU? I favour that option, even remainers can see that. Malta. I've heard there's plenty of room there.
That worked prior to 2004 when there were far fewer countries than now. But do remind me how many changes and concessions Cameron wrung out of the other 27 heads of government - and how many will the European Parliament allow him to keep? The answers are about four and zero respectively. You're a cruel man, Rob, so you are!
I think the negatives of staying in the EU outweigh the positives, Rob. Cameron was ineffective and, with respect to him, I don't think any British leader would have fared better. The die is cast and our freedoms are lessening and will be further eroded in time. Apart from being emasculated, we are being overrun by immigrants and will be further swamped by more impoverished EU countries if we remain. This is our last chance to trade and grow under our own steam and we have to remain positive now and for the future.
Whether we exit or not is to be decided but whatever the decision British politics will change, ie how can Cameron have Gove in his cabinet or the British public want Corbyn. Maybe out of it will come a middle stream that is good for the UK,then again Elvis might be alive! We are in for a period of instability in or out.
Jeremy Corbyn has been sacked! But only from being Labour's leading spokesman of the Remain campaign, a job he was unsuited for and disinterested in! Gordon Brown takes over from tomorrow and this will allow the Labour Leader to attend casting interviews for Daniel Craig's old job, that of 007. This comes as the Establishment wakes-up to the realisation that 44% of Labour supporters are going to vote to leave the EU - that's far more than anyone imagined. Gordon is to make them promises he can't hope to keep since he's not leader of the Labour Party and the Labour Party isn't in power. In brief then: the Remain campaign will continue to lie but with a change of cast.
Nothing new there then and he is in excellent company ,paradoxicaly the whole referendum idea was to placate his party and never intended to happen but for a tiny win in the General Election that stood the "plan " on its head Nothing as long as you like Pie Whats needed is for our Ministers to along with the other 27 actually do the work for the Direction of Europe and stop playing the "I wanted to but they wouldnt let me card" I think its a pretty equal job on both sides in trashing what may have remained in any confidence in Politicians Depends on your sense of social justice Dave and how far down the BHS....Sports Direct Rabbit Hole you want to go down
Strangely although he is not a natural remain I think the Labour, Green and Liberal position has mitigated the downright lies of the Tories
Yesterday's YouGov poll for The Times puts Leave 7 points ahead of Remain: and the latest ICM Poll, also published yesterday, puts Leave on 53% and Remain on 47%. TNS have released new figures showing 47% for Out and 40% for In. Given that the EU in general and its figureheads in particular are so unpopular in Britain, Cameron managed to convince "Drunker" Juncker not to make any set-piece interventions unless Leave was ahead in the opinion polls by the start of the last week of the campaign. That is now the situation and one can hardly wait to find lout the threats the habitually-inebriated EU President and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (the other Presidents) have in mind should we dare to vote Leave. One of those Horsemen, Donald Tusk, claims that Britain's exit would herald the end of civilisation! These threatened claims being made by the Remain side are becoming more and more outlandish - Noah's flood, plagues of locusts and frogs and the world being plunged into perpetual darkness must surely be written into the script and waiting to be used! Of course Tusk went completely deaf when challenged by reporters who inquired why the EU wasn't bribing Britain to remain if its exit would have such a damaging effect. Gordon Brown similarly failed to answer journalists' questions about immigration when he addressed a group of the party - and Remain - faithful yesterday. That's despite the fact that immigration is the number one concern of Labour voters. Cynically the EU is delaying certain decisions and announcements until after the 23rd due to their contentious nature. These include: The EU's current Budget deficit is running at €24.7 billion (£19.6 billion). Britain's share is 12.5% meaning that we will have to pay an additional contribution of £2.4 billion. On top of that, MEPs are demanding additional cash to tackle Europe's migrant problems. The EU will seek to ban certain hair-dryers, dish-washers and other household appliances following a successful lobbying operation by German manufacturers who saw an opportunity to keep competitors out of the market. All concerned agree that such a ban will have minimal impact in reducing carbon emissions as they account for less than 12% of household energy use. Nothing Green about this policy, it is all about commercial advantage. Bail-outs of the Italian and Spanish economies are inevitable and further cash injections for Greece a foregone conclusion. In 2013 Cameron obtained a "watertight agreement" that Britain would not be responsible for bailing-out Eurozone countries whose economies failed. That agreement was unceremoniously torn-up by the Eurocrats last year during the Greek crisis and Britain was forced into paying £600 million to help prop-up the country. The EU wants to oblige every port to have more than one provider for its internal services, such as mooring, dredging and unloading. That's fine for the large state-owned ports such as Hamburg, Rotterdam and Antwerp but punishes the smaller privately-owned British ports which are in competition with one another. "No one is talking about a European Army", say Cameron and the Remainers. No one, except the people running the EU. The European Commission, in its formal statement, calls a European Army ‘a strategic necessity’. Remember: One by one, the EU has acquired the attributes of statehood: a president and a parliament; a currency and taxes; embassies and a foreign minister; a supreme court and a legal system; a national anthem and a flag. A European Army is the logical next step. Remainers, when debating issues with their opponents, are becoming notorious for sinking to making ad hominem attacks: this is particularly true of the females on the Remain camp. Last week Amber Rudd personally attacked Boris Johnson on ITV's debate and, to his credit, Boris did not respond in kind. On today's BBC's Daily Politics, Rachel Reeves found she was losing the economic argument during a discussion with Sir Digby Jones, the former head of the CBI and Labour minister, and accused him on- air of being "a typical middle-aged bloke who loves interrupting women". Given the context, it was wholly unjustified:
Remain campaigners on board Bob Geldof’s pro-EU vessel disembarked in disgust after he made w*nker and V-signs at Brexit-backing fishermen: Labour MP Bethany Pickering tweeted "Fisherman, please know that most Labour remain people on Geldof's boat left in disgust. Not why I'm in at all #thames". And Nigel Farage commented "multi-millionaires shouting down honest working communities. Pretty disgusting". "Disgusting" is the only way Cameron, Osborne and the Bullingdon Boys of Remain team know how to behave.
George Osborne finally admits that the government cannot offer any reform of free movement. This came during an interview with Radio 4's Today programme: Today: “The Guardian is reporting this morning that Downing Street is considering whether there could be anything more to offer in terms of perhaps controls on freedom of movement that would reassure voters who were worried about the open door to this country for EU citizens. Is there?” Osborne: "The short answer is No".
I saw that in the news too, quite refreshing to hear a simple "No" answer from Osborne, being honest for a change may stand him in good stead when he attends job interviews in the very near future
On Face Book Today If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out. Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU: • Governor of the Bank of England • International Monetary Fund • Institute for Fiscal Studies • Confederation of British Industry • Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU • President of the United States of America • Eight former US Treasury Secretaries • President of China • Prime Minister of India • Prime Minister of Canada • Prime Minister of Australia • Prime Minister of Japan • Prime Minister of New Zealand • The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc. • Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations • All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties) • Virtually all reputable and recognised economists • The Prime Minister of the UK • The leader of the Labour Party • The Leader of the Liberal Democrats • The Leader of the Green Party • The Leader of the Scottish National Party • The leader of Plaid Cymru • Leader of Sinn Fein • Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly • The Secretary General of the TUC • Unison • National Union of Students • National Union of Farmers • Stephen Hawking • Chief Executive of the NHS • 300 of the most prominent international historians • Director of Europol • David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation • Former Directors of GCHQ • Secretary General of Nato • Church of England • Church in Scotland • Church in Wales • Friends of the Earth • Greenpeace • Director General of the World Trade Organisation • WWF • World Bank • OECD Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU: • Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave • A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick • That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system • Leader of UKIP • BNP • Britain First • Donald Trump • Keith Chegwin • David Icke So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple. And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.
Good try, Rob, but no cigar! I do know Michael Gove from when he was a journalist and can honestly say that he's nothing like Dim Tim and, what's more, he's not even a natural Tory, being the adopted son of Labour-voting parents. He is highly intelligent and a deep thinker unlike most at the top of the Tory tree.
