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Conservative manifesto:

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Bluebird71, May 17, 2017.

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  1. Markham
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    Then we'd have a Poll Tax which all good Labour supporters (and not a few Tories) opposed when Thatcher tried to impose it.
  2. bigmac
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    unlike the poll tax--which meant every adult member of the household paid the poll tax---what i suggested would mean only the head of the household would have the vote.

    as it is now---a household with several adults living there could cancel out the votes of several other households with only one occupant.
  3. Bluebird71
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    It shows the electorate in a bad light when they throw away a group of policies in 2015, only to accept many of those policies in 2017.

    I suspect a large percentage are swayed by Murdoch and other seedy journalists. And he'll back the party that gives him freedom to libel.

    Red Ed was weird and his plans to cap energy bills were laughed at. Maggie May says the same thing 2 years later, and it's a great plan!

    I think if you vote for the same party in three consecutive elections, your vote should be counted to the safe seats. It's well accepted that, under the FPTP system, some votes are weighed heavier than others.
  4. Dave_E
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    The majority of married women would lose the vote, Emeline Pankhurst would be turning in her grave, and the feminists would have something worth protesting about.
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  5. oss
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    Why not go the full hog and demand service for access to the vote, service means you are willing to die for your country in other words you sign up and you serve your country your nation, if you live you live, if you die you die, you can be called upon at any time in your life to fulfil your promise, your contract, to your fellow countrymen.

    If you don't want to sign up you get a cushy life but you don't get to influence the rules, if you do sign up you are a full citizen and do get to influence the rules

    This was a piece of speculative fiction that was widely ridiculed at the time but by god it got you thinking about things.

    Let me make it clear that I am not saying I support this idea.
  6. Markham
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    Your suggestion would deny the vote to those who live in shared accommodation such as army barracks, nurses homes and university halls of residence; it would result in there being less democracy and the threat of dictatorial tyranny.
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    Dictatorial tyranny ? We are staring that in the face when the Tory government get back in..with a big overall majority.
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  8. Dave_E
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    Not quite certain how that fits in with your proposal to remove voting rights from women, students, and anybody else not wealthy enough to be head of a household.

    We need a strong government over the next few years, we need to ensure that our departure from the EU is well managed, and that it is negotiated for the best benefit of our country and people.
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  9. Dave_E
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    Military dictatorship!
  10. Markham
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    Imagine Labour swept to power with an overall majority of 150 seats. Would you define that as "dictatorial tyranny" or "Nirvana"?
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  11. bigmac
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    Still the same. Only way to keep a government in check is a strong effective opposition.

    I've lived long enough to see so many changes that have caused hardship and suffering to many. The latest 25% hike in visa fees to name but one. And it will get worse under the new and improved tory government
  12. Bluebird71
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    Complete logical fallacy. You could be asked a similar question about a large Labour majority providing a strong and stable government. Neither question serves any purpose other than to imply (and you do love implying) that the opposing viewpoint comes with a stench of political bias.
  13. Bluebird71
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    I can well remember the Labour landslide in '97 - completely unhealthy. Any majority of more than 50 seats is unhealthy in my opinion.
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    What a frightening thought with the current leadership, or lack of it.
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  15. Markham
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    One thing we can be certain about is that whatever party is elected as the next government, the tax burden will rise. Under the Conservatives, the burden will rise to almost 34% of GDP by 2021. This will be the highest level since 1969 when Harold Wilson was (the Labour) Prime Minister and makes a mockery of the mealy-mouthed manifesto pledge to "keep taxes as low as possible".

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