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Brexit and Scexit

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Markham, Mar 29, 2017.

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  1. Bluebird71
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    Why do you insist on using straw men?
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  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Why is this a problem?

    Arrangements will be put in place.
    Don't you understand that tere are whole Government departments co-ordinating this.
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  3. Bluebird71
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    Tell me why quitting Euratom is a good idea.

    I understand there are departments conordinating Brexit, but not one of them has come out with something that makes me think "here are a safe pair of hands". Enlighten me, please!
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  4. Dave_E
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    Read my post please. :D
  5. Bluebird71
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    I can't find a post where you outline why one of the world leaders in scientific research (I.e. Us) leaving Euratom is a positive.
  6. Dave_E
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    LOL, that's because I never made such a post.

    I have full confidence that the relevent (non political) departments will ensure that we still fulfill our role, and that the our country will maintain its position as one of the worlds leading contributors to scientific research. :like:
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  7. Markham
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    Maybe we don't actually need to be a member of Euratom in order to be able to conduct scientific research.
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  8. Bluebird71
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    Ok - let's recap...

    I asked "Tell me why quitting Euratom is a good idea". You told me to read your post. I read all your posts looking for the answer, couldn't find it and you then confirmed that you didn't write any such post!

    It's ok, I now understand that you don't understand the Euratom farce. If you are interested in it, I can provide links from scientists (not politicians).
  9. Bluebird71
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    Tell me more.
  10. Dave_E
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    OK, you are forgiven. :like:
  11. Markham
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    Apparently no country is a full member of Euratom without being a member of the EU (or so says the BBC), that may be one reason. Another is that Euratom carries with it the baggage of the ECJ.
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    What baggage would that be aSenior Judges from each of the 28 European Countries Including ours each assisted by an advocate general the UK .s is Eleanor V. E. Sharpston
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_V._E._Sharpston

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    Yes I do, but they may not fit with your agenda.

    Bullying is an evil, nasty crime perpetrated by those who think and believe they are better than those they target and torment - but the reality is that they are often sad, friendless individuals.

    Dagmara was Polish and attended a secondary school near her home in Redruth, an area not known for its Polish community. She is likely to have been one of the few foreign-born students and she may have been dyslexic. Either would have made her different to (almost) everyone else and kids who often have a pack mentality will seek-out those who are different and start to tease them. Teasing, which is often good-natured, if unchecked generally leads to bullying and victimisation which is not.

    I am half-Polish, as you may know, and I was bullied for that very reason; that was in the late fifties before schools became "progressive" and had anti-bullying policies and well before "Europe". My Russian-born daughter was also bullied when, aged 16, she won a scholarship to one of this country's better private schools, she became the "love target" of the school's rugby captain, a position she strenuously avoided (mainly because she already had a boyfriend back home). The boy couldn't take the rejection and, with a few of his brave mates, set about making life hell for my daughter. The school did have an effective anti-bullying policy and the bullies each received a full term's suspension.

    Poles generally integrate into their host communities very well indeed and because they work hard and have friendly dispositions, they are generally welcomed by most.


    I know you didn't want me to respond to Andrew's message, but I did so anyway.
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    You may not realise this but the far-right is much more evident in Poland than in Britain. A Brit-Fil couple I know moved to Poland with the plan to use residency there as a springboard to moving to the UK (a la Surinder Singh). They found racism to be a particular problem and surprisingly she, the Filipina, wasn't the target but her husband. If he went to buy something, he would be refused service unless he spoke Polish. Officials would hand him forms printed in Polish only whilst she would be handed multi-language versions of the same forms.

    It was his feedback that made me cross Poland off the list of possible places.
  17. KeithAngel
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    What a terrible disapointment for them:)
  18. Methersgate
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    I recall that you told me at the time. Not very surprising. Equally you may not be aware, living in the EU as you do, of the extent to which the far right became more "visible" after the referendum in Britain, and the extent to which casual racism became a fact of daily life.
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    If that is true, then it is regrettable and must be countered by voices of reason - the silent majority. But it's not just the hard-right that have become more apparent, the hard-left also.

    Prior to Corbyn becoming leader, there was very little anti-Semitism but now it's one the rise and tacitly condoned. The party (ie Corbyn) only acts belatedly and only when and if the issue becomes embarrassing. What about all the sexist bullying and intimidation of moderate members of Labour MPs, candidates and office staff by hard-left activists, people like Stella Creasy, Thangham Debonnaire and others, both online (Corbyn's oh-so-brave keyboard commandos who hide their true identity) and in person.

    Judging from reports both in the press and on the BBC, the hard-left is a much bigger problem in Britain than the hard-right.
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  20. KeithAngel
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    Left means Left and its only hard for the Tory,s:troll:
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