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Vaccines for Covid-19 (Effectiveness and any side effects)

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. aposhark
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    Yeah just heard that, certainly good news particularly as this is new and unusual type of vaccine.

    And levels of protection are very good compared to the quite reserved estimates that were expected of any vaccine.
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    Lots of refrigerated trailers will be required around the world to transport 1.3 billion by the end of 2021 :rolleyes:
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    That's a tiny fraction of what will be needed in terms of doses.

    I know a guy who was specifically working driving refrigerated vehicles for medical supplies.

    Also remember that this vaccine has a two dose requirement and a number of countries have pre-ordered very large numbers.

    It is surprising that it has to be stored at such a low temperature.
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    It's going to be a long time before anything like normality can return to our lives.
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    Give us an online metaphorical smile, Jim :eek: :D:D:D
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    Have you come over "all funny" Mattecube?

    A positive post about Everton and a "Winner" emoji for me.

    Think I will have to get a baby wipe and mop my brow :lol: ;););)
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    I nearly went for the fu**ing hilirious emojo but there isn't one.
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    There will be a few drinkiepoo's and resulting hangovers in the not too distant future. :lol:
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    Credit where it's due with Everton but also Liverpool as a city because there has been a lot of positive comments about Rashfords campaign
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    The new norm will not be like the old norm, the world has to learn from this pandemic.
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    Better by the spring?

    Some thoughts:

    Airlines ramping up.
    Football stadiums opening to a good degree.
    Pubs stocking up on booze.
    Baby Boom starting next Christmas?
    High Street spending spree.
    Music will get a shot in the arm
    Pot sales grow exponentially in the USA (legal in many states now).

    We shouldn't underestimate what the pent-up mental stress has done and what will happen next year.
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    No chance of it being all ok by then.

    Dosage is two doses I think three weeks apart and you should have an effective immunity 7 days after that.

    The rollout will be slow mostly healthcare and other essential services first, even people in such occupations who had the virus should probably get this vaccine as well.

    By February there might be some availability to at risk groups but they won't be protected until mid to late March.

    Genuine vaccine promoted community herd immunity won't happen anywhere till late next year after significant numbers in the population have been vaccinated and a lot of the dumb anti-vaxxers deliberately won't get it.

    This is a novel vaccine most vaccines are made by attenuating live virus, and require cultivation in eggs, this one, it appears, is made chemically from the RNA segments that code for the virus spike proteins, I would expect it to be pretty safe.

    By this time next year the UK and elsewhere will be able to relax a bit, but measures like social distancing and masks are going to be needed for most of next year in my opinion.
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    Life could be returning to normal by spring, scientist says

    Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and a member of the government's vaccine taskforce, said he had some confidence of life returning to normal by spring.

    Speaking on BBC Radio 4's World at One, he said he thought more than one vaccine could be rolled out in the UK in the new year.

    "It is very close," he said. "It is very important because there is no other really obvious way to get on top of this thing frankly."

    Asked if this meant life could be returning to normal by spring, he answered: "Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm probably the first guy to say that but I will say it with some confidence."

    He added that he's “really delighted with the result. It shows you can make a vaccine against this little critter. There are lots of pathogens where we’ve tried for decades and never managed to get a vaccine, malaria, HIV. There are lots of diseases where making vaccines have proved almost impossible.”

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    The main lesson to learn is that we should stop encroaching on wilderness, the generic reservoir that this came from is a result of humans mixing closely with creatures living in areas that would have had little contact with people.

    Also the reason we are all vulnerable is that no city is isolated no town in the modern world is isolated humanity lives to all intents in one large connected city as a result of international travel, which makes the separation of humans and wildlife much smaller than it might have been a few hundred years ago, back then without travel geographical proximity would limit the range of these things.
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    Perhaps banning all travel to and from China for a year or 2 should be implemented.
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    Oh I agree there will be other vaccines, but do you want to get the 60% effective one when there is a 90% effective one ;) :)

    edit: And I think even scientists like him are maybe being a little overoptimistic about the logistics involved here.
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    A new mutated variant of Covid-19 has arisen in Mink in Denmark, it has been proven to be transmittable to humans, I've said before in these threads that the next pandemic could arise in a UK pig farm or a chicken farm why would it have to be China, destruction of the Amazon rainforest is putting people and other species in closer proximity with new pathogens than they otherwise would be, you could easily have something emerge from there.

    And China has dramatically reduced circulation of the virus, they are the ones more likely to ban all travel to and from the UK or the US or Denmark or Europe for the foreseeable future, they fixed their problem, we didn't.
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    Is -70 degrees centigrade something that refrigerated trailers can do Mike? That's what this vaccine needs.

    Serious question I don't know the answer to that one.

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