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The fight for faster broadband

Discussion in 'Technology Advice' started by Micawber, May 13, 2011.

  1. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Two important news items today about broadband, one from the politician in charge of government policy in this area, the other from the company with the biggest role in making the fast internet happen.

    The Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt unveiled a pledge that 90% of British homes and businesses would have access to superfast broadband, and BT told us that it was now racing ahead in the broadband market, leaving its cable rival in the dust.

    But both stories deserve a little further examination. It's certainly good to have a clear benchmark to back up the government's previous pledge that Britain will have the "best" superfast broadband in Europe by 2015.

    Until now, we haven't known what "best" meant, and by combing factors like availability, price, and quality as well as speed, there would have been plenty of wriggle room to allow ministers to declare victory.

    Now they have to reach that 90% mark - and as nobody thinks there's much of a commercial case for anything more than around two thirds of homes to get fibre-based broadband, that's quite a big ask over four years.

    Making connections

    One key question is how "superfast" is defined. The government will say it's about giving people access to any fibre product, whether that's BT Infinity, Virgin Media cable or perhaps the new offering planned by Fujitsu.

    The broadband purists will argue that BT's fibre-to-the-cabinet product will offer many people little more than 20Mbps, and that's not superfast.

    But BT, which has long been aggrieved at the stick it gets over what some consider the slow progress of its broadband rollout, is hitting back.

    As the company unveiled some decent results this morning, it started bombarding me with facts about broadband.

    Namely, that its Openreach and Wholesale divisions added 1.1 million new broadband connections in the last year - compared to Virgin Media's 151,000 new connections. For every new Virgin customer, BT is adding seven, I was told.

    That, of course, includes all of BT Openreach wholesale customers, like Sky and TalkTalk. But BT says its own-brand broadband from its retail division is also caning the opposition, winning 64% of new connections in the last quarter.

    Networked nation

    Oh, and when it comes to fast fibre connections, BT is adding customers twice as rapidly as Virgin. What's more its fibre-to-the-cabinet technology is getting faster and faster, whatever the sceptics say, and is fully future-proofed.

    I ran some of these claims past a Virgin Media spokesman - and got a rather different take. BT, he explained was going after the "cheap and cheerful" end of the broadband market, slashing prices in pursuit of market share. The same strategy had been tried by the cable industry a decade ago and had proved disastrous.

    He said that many of BT's new customers were probably coming back from TalkTalk - which lured millions away with bargain basement broadband when it got into the business.

    And he told me that BT's boasts about its fibre service didn't stand up either - BT Infinity, offering 20-30Mbps should not be compared to Virgin's 50Mbps product.

    Now if the government is to hit that 90% superfast target, it will need both BT and Virgin Media to play a big part. So perhaps the fact that the two businesses and the likes of Sky and TalkTalk - are scrapping so furiously over the broadband market is good news.

    After all, come 2015 they will want to be able to claim that they played the leading role in making Britain a networked nation

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13382701
  2. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    well ive used 600 meg in data in the last 3 weeks i will never use my 3gb so blindingly slow is what i havelol
  3. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    "90% of British homes and businesses would have access to superfast broadband"

    That means most of Scotland and Wales will have to wait until 2052. :erm:
  4. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    On checking my current landline capacity it has a maximum potential of 8Mbps.
    Mind you it seems OK for the work I do
  5. walesrob
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    walesrob Administrator Staff Member

    " BT Infinity " haha stops at Shrewsbury, but not beyond.
  6. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    I know for a fact that I am not getting what I have been promised I would be able to get...

    But then again, I am not paying that much for that either...
  7. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Im sorry I will read that again
  8. Kuya
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    Kuya The Geeky One Staff Member

    I'm just checking for broadband at my new home. No virgin cables in the area so need to get the phone line switched on.. I'm thinking Talk Talk?
  9. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    I started a few years ago with AOL/Talk talk because of an unmissable laptop broadband offer, and on renewal, I am only paying about a tenner a month including all calls to landlines anytime.
    I cannot complain about the service. The speed is more than adequate for what I need.
  10. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    I've read that Talk Talk customer service is not great.
    Mind you, I'm with Virgin and that's not good either. Luckily I hardly ever contact them.

    The BT ad messages tell of wonderful broadband.
  11. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    when i was with BT, I never had enough speed for anything. All of sudden, after I switch to another provider, my speed trebles.... on the same phone line.....:erm:
  12. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Do you have any idea why that was ?
    Just interested.
  13. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    To this day, I haven't got a clue.

    my speed actually fluctuates rather wildly of late, for which I am quite happy about. Very strange tho.
  14. Micawber
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    Micawber Renowned Lifetime Member

    Mmmm. That is odd.

    My speed is not great, but seems to be consistent. No reason for me to change.
  15. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    All I know is that "service" and "BT" do not belong in the same phrase....
  16. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    they pretty much all oversell capacity

    If you imagine a pipie with water good for 12 they sell 15 or 20 and hope you dont all turn on at once if they can get away with it they keep reducing your broadband till you squeak well worth checking every week
  17. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I'm not telling anyone how or why but I have a 20Meg service that delivers about 14Meg consistently and costs me nothing :D
  18. Howerd
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    Howerd Well-Known Member Trusted Member Lifetime Member

    I live about three miles from the exchange and get up to 2.2 Meg with TalkTalk - much faster than other providers I have tried, consistent speed with very few cut-outs. The downside is the appalling customer service from TalkTalk, but I put up with that cos I make up to 200 calls/day to an 0845 number for free!
  19. PeterB
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    That's called 'contention ratio'. The specified standard ratios used to be 50:1 for residential lines, and 20:1 for business lines, although it was very rare for the value to be as bad as that. I don't know whether those ratios still apply in UK.

    When I enquire what the contention ratio is here in Philippines, I get blank stares. I don't do much better when I try to explain what CR is!

    I haven't checked recently, but the last time I did, the fastest connection I could get here was 3Mb/s - all this talk of 35 or 50 makes me green with envy! My first adsl connection here was costing me PHP4,500/month for a 640kb/s service
  20. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    640 cor your lucky im sometimes down in the 100bt range:erm:

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