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Spouse Visa Applying in Manila

Discussion in 'UK Visa and Immigration Help' started by Nnohaj, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    As I see b the bit you have hilited (post 56) if they (the parents) have been in the UK for 3 years at the point of application and not been out for a period or periods greater than 270 days in those 3 years then 5b is satisfied,as is a and c.
    Its complex, but I wish the family good luck and good fortune.
  2. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    The key word here in this case is automatically! I guess
  3. oss
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    How do they get into the UK on a spouse visa while trying to bring a child in on a tourist visa waiver which is only valid for 6 months, suppose they manage to do this, they can't apply for citizenship for the child until three years have passed as only then will they have satisfied 3 (5)(b) and by that time the child has been in the UK illegally for 2.5 years.

    Would it not be far better for the child to be part of the spouse visa application as all that requires is that the child's native right to Philippine citizenship be recognised, I realise that at this stage the timing may be difficult for them but surely this would be the correct way to go about bringing the child to the UK.
  4. Nnohaj
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    I understand the complexity of it. And I appreciate all your info on this. It is really a complicated situation we are facing but there should be a solution. We will be consulting an immigration lawyer to help us with it. Thanks a lot to everyone.
  5. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Have you read my earlier posts prior to your first post on this?
    It is the very point I make early on
    To reiterate if child came over on a visa free waiver 6 months permissible on a New Zealand passport the parent or parents are traveling on other visas they are going to have great difficulty if asked explaining that the child is here as a visitor. More so that the passport would show he has not set foot in the country to which he holds a passport.
    I further point out that if and I say if they got child through that when they did apply for British Citizenship the fact he is only on a visit period will get picked up.
    As I say I have mentioned all these points to the op in previous posts, I also comment that they are undertaking a highly risky strategy.
  6. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I believe your right in your thinking so I wish
    Good luck to your family for the future please let us know the path you take and the outcome
  7. Nnohaj
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    Nnohaj Member

    Yes M
    Yes Mattecube I will definitely update you. Thank you for your kind wishes. Stay safe everyone.
  8. oss
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    Please check this link as well http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php...nd-aquisition/recognition-as-filipino-citizen I am sure you could easily get your child's Filipino nationality recognised.
  9. oss
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    As I said in my first post I just skimmed the thread but I did see that you took this position and yes it is the correct one.

    My point was just that acquisition of British Citizenship through a father who is British by descent is not possible unless the child was born in the UK or in a qualifying territory, in this case the child has to be naturalised using another route basically the same as would apply to any British Filipino couple where the child was not biologically related to the father.

    I had to make the citizenship rules clear to Ana many years ago as she thought our daughter's children would be automatically British, they won't be, they will only be Filipino if they are born in the Philippines but they would become full British Citizens otherwise than by Decent if Janna chose to have her children born in the UK and I explained this to my daughter last year while also encouraging her to delay having children as long as possible.
  10. Heathen
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    Nnohaj, i suggest you do as oss says by following his link http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php...nd-aquisition/recognition-as-filipino-citizen get your son Philippines citizenship, then follow the usual route of Spouse and Son visa applications, the Philippine citizenship looks straightforward to me, and will avoid more headaches.. any other application i believe as Mattecube and others say is high risk.. good luck..
  11. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    It's OK suggesting the child obtains Philippines citizenship and then goes through child dependant visa application, but who will look after the child? Mum? As we all know anyone on a visa right upto and including ILR can spend only a limited time out of the UK maybe Nnohaj has exhausted this time or is close we don't know.
    Clearly from her posts she and her husband have thought through the processes and arrived at their decision.

    I think as I have said the risk lies in bringing the child in on visa waiver and then applying for citizenship.
    She is taking her case to an immigration lawyer and it will be interesting to know the outcome.
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2020
  12. oss
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    I'm confused, this thread started in February and last Wednesday the opening poster said they had not submitted the spouse visa application yet, am I missing something?

    If everything were to be completed in the correct sequence would the child not be able to enter the UK as a dependant on the spouse visa application at the same time as the parents?

    If the child had to be left behind then yes it would be complicated.
  13. bigmac
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    we havent seen our old friend boots on the ground on here for quite a while...

    or have we ?
  14. oss
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    No he is not here.
  15. Br28016
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    Timeline is consistent with Manila lockdown throwing spanner in the works. True potentially could have submitted during lockdown but no ability to do biometrics at VFS.

    With as messy a situation as described then do need to get correct although some things could be simplified fairly quickly. We all have our points of view and would probably do some things differently although that is based on our own experience.

    First priority for me would be sitting out child Filipino psa birth registration. After that would probably go down the visa route for child as sure that child qualifies as resident in Philippines currently. If not will be overstayer when leaving which has different problems.

    Easiest option if going with current plan would be to get father to take child through immigration control separately to the mother. Child born in UAE would probably be assumed to be visiting with British father and would expect minimal problems. Flying with ethiad or Emirates would probably also help. Still think there will be big problems trying registration under subsection 5 having read guidance for immigration staff.
  16. Mattecube
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    It would be 2 separate applications Spouse and child dependent,but yes at the same time.
  17. Nnohaj
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    Hi guys, as per consultation with an immigration lawyer, we decided to push through with applying for my spouse visa. I submitted my application and was very truthful in what we plan to do especially with our infant son entering UK with us and then applying for his registration as british citizen as per:
    Registration under Section 3(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981
    Minors are entitled to registration as British citizens under s.3(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 if:
    • born either outside the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983 and or born outside the United Kingdom and the qualifying territories on or after 21 May 2002; and
    • either parent ("the parent in question") was a British citizen by descent at the time of the child's birth; and
    • the mother or father of the parent in question (i.e. the child’s grandparent) became or, but for their death, would have become, a British citizen otherwise than by descent on 1 January 1983; and
    • the application was made while the child is still a minor; and
    • Either the parent in question:
      • had, at any time before the child's birth lived in the United Kingdom for a continuous period of 3 years; and
      • was in the United Kingdom at the beginning of that 3 year period; and
      • was not absent from the United Kingdom for more than 270 days in that 3 year period;
    VFS told me decision will take 2-3 months, but I know covid issues might make it longer. Anyhow, it’s a huge relief being able to submit it finally. Thank you everyone for your advise and info. Fingers crossed! Keep safe all.
  18. Nnohaj
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    UPDATE: I got Approved!!!:) Spouse(Partner) Visa received today granted 90days entry. Thank you all so much for your info and advice. It’s a huge relief after all the documentations and the gruelling waiting time! All worth it. Now on to the next stage-departure from Manila. Wish everyone the best of luck in their visa applications!:)
  19. bigmac
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    wooo hoo well done!

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  20. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Congratulations, don't forget to apply and print off your CFO certificate as per @Junior Charlie post on other thread

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