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Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by KeithAngel, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

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  3. Bootsonground
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    Bootsonground Guest

    Whats this? A scare tactic by the "environmental protection" terrorists?
    A new strategy designed to stop people travelling the globe?

    It`s my burn barrel day tomorrow.
    I`m gonna throw 20 plastic bottles of (1.5) Coke on it unless this thread is moved to Politics.
    Move it there and they will remain in the recycle bin. Do it not and 20 more will be incinerated next week.
    I`ll add the extra carbon emitted to the thread starters personal footprint calculations.
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  4. walesrob
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    It's not politics, its something more serious than that. Something we all need to face up to for the sake of generations to come. Ignore at your peril.
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  5. Markham
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    That's all very well and good but this is NOT the place for such discussions. This forum is all about relationships between the inhabitants of the British Isles and those of the Philippine archipelago: it is not a forum for climate change and anyone who wants to know about that subject should look elsewhere.
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  6. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

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    The problem is that every discussion here gets poisoned with Politics, the original Politics forum was the place for threads of that were genuinely political.
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    Not every discussion but generally those started by the OP do and that's by design (his). You have, however, perfectly encapsulated the principal reason why Andrew and I wanted all political discussions banned.
  8. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    i try my best to avoid them. nothing is ever accomplished. the rows just put readers off joining the forum.
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  9. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Fortunatly you dont need everyone to agree

    It is suggested that to be sucsessful 3.5% of the population is needed to engage fully in non violent action for the desired outcomes to be realised these are

    1. Government must tell the truth by declaring a climate and ecological emergency, working with other institutions to communicate the urgency for change.
    2. Government must act now to halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net-zero by 2025.
    3. Government must create and be led by the decisions of a citizens' assembly on climate and ecological justice.
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    If I were that interested and wanted to clutter my head with Extinction Rebellion propaganda, I'd go to that group's web site. I don't expect and don't wish for it to be faithfully reproduced here, without attribution or credit thereby breaching its copyright and putting this site in jeopardy.

    And it appears that I am not alone.
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  11. Markham
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    The fact that the OP has rated his disagreement with the foregoing:

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    may be reflective of his contempt for this site, its users and its objectives.
  12. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Disagreement in your view is contempt yet you continue to post on a thread you have no interest in

    The most difficult part of my relationship is the certain knowledge that my family will face perhaps a desperate future when I am gone

    Which is why im doing my best to have an impact on that future while there is still time

    It possible that the fear that must be faced is overwhelming for many of us and denial and anger are used to avoid difficult decisions that require engagement now. I dont judge anyone for being unable to face that but only wish the choices are clear for us all in this community whiule there is time to change
  13. KeithAngel
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    Its wikapedia and links are in the quoted text

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion#Demands
  14. Bootsonground
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    I have removed the 20 X 1.5 liter Bottles from recycling bin and lined them up next to incinerator.
    But it`s still not too late to negotiate.
  15. Markham
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    "Rinse" them with sump oil: proper job! :like:
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  16. KeithAngel
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    "I am a retired doctor, a husband, a father and grandfather – I am also one of more than 1,000 Extinction Rebellion protesters who have been arrested by police. During the April demonstrations in London, I sat on Waterloo Bridge with many others and refused to move in full acceptance that this nonviolent action would lead to my arrest.

    For many years I have been aware of the growing threat to life on Earth due to our overconsumption of the planet’s finite resources, our pollution of land, air and sea, our disregard for other forms of life and, in particular, our reckless burning of fossil fuels. It’s now clear that global heating and biodiversity loss are proceeding even faster than predicted just a few years ago and we are reaching a tipping point beyond which it will soon be too late to avoid the extinction of life as we know it. Like most of my generation living in the wealthy parts of the world, I must accept the guilt and responsibility of my own contribution to this situation."

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-protesters-ordinary-people#comment-131188431
  17. oss
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    Whatever we do the planet is not going to outright die for at least a few hundred years, but it is a real possibility.

    Human technological extinction, yes very strong chance that will happen, a return to the dark ages except worse because we don't have the skills to survive like that today.

    95% or more of the human population dead, that's the catastrophe that Extinction Rebellion are using as their starting point, that's why they say government will collapse, they are not trying to overthrow government as some commentators would like to suggest they are stating their view that it simply WILL break down and something along these lines will be the result.

    We only get one chance at a technological civilisation because we have to wait a hundred million years or so for more oil (where is John Ash) plus or minus a very large number of years.

    So our oil use is a one off, oil is stored solar energy, it's millions of years of old light, light from the sun made the plants grow which then died and were submerged to form oil over vast amounts of time, you get to burn it once and only once.
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    That is why we are on borrowed time, the quandary is that we cannot maintain our current 'technological' civilisation and at the same time prevent climate change with our current technology, we need something better.

    All that old light that we burn in our cars is irreplaceable, once it's gone it's gone, old light is oil and it is geopolitical dynamite which could cause even earlier extinction, and a more thorough extinction than climate change might (nuclear war).

    We have to find a way to keep feeding a current population of 7 or so billion and a future population of rather more than that, the scale of energy use required to do that is beyond your imagination, by this I mean everyone on this board, you DO NOT GET IT.

    That 95% is a number I pulled out of the air as it is what I think is likely, say the grid failed, completely failed,well surprise surprise Nuclear stations only have a day or so of cooling capacity through diesel generators, even when shut down a reactor needs to be cooled, the lack of cooling at Fukishima was the main problem because the local generators were immediately knocked out by the Tsunami.

    Not all designs have this problem but the vast majority do and unless they are shut down we are at terrible risk, I am a nuclear power advocate but we need contingency plans, good plans.

    As I have said time and again I want technological solutions, solar hydrolysis, wind, geothermal, direct solar, wave every bloody one is needed.

    Cars and transport alone account for something like 30 to 40% of all oil use, don't quote me, but the number is huge, when you have to replace that with electricity this is not a simple problem it is something that needs decades of planning.

    It is getting late I could go on but I won't until later.
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  18. Bootsonground
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    Yes.
    I have a 500 liter drum of old engine oil that I use as either a pesticide or a fire starter..
    I have to wait for them to get the washing off the line though.
    Proper black smoke!
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  19. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    You could save the wait for your personal end and drink it and at the same time save the rest of us your contribution to our destruction (just joining in with your dark humour):)
  20. Bootsonground
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    All Admin need to do in order to help keep your disgusting carbon toxicity score from rising today is to put this highly politically biased thread where it belongs.. Politics!
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