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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

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    16.7%
  1. Markham
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    Ah, okay, thanks for your clarification :).

    As any half-decent defence lawyer will tell you, the chances of a conviction against any of them is unlikely to be successful or even contemplated in many cases. Why? Because there are unlikely to be any witnesses prepared to give reliable evidence and any who do "side with the Crusader" will have a big, bright target painted on his back.

    Then there's the question of what jail you're going to slam them into. We don't, as far as I know, have an equivalent to the ADX SuperMax Federal prison in Florence, Colorado that's home for Abu Hamza, the one-time iman of Finsbury Park Mosque:



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    Here he is locked-up in solitary confinement for over 23 hours a day and has almost no contact with other prisoners or his jailers. By comparison a British jail is a holiday camp and they're all badly over-crowded.

    According to an opinion piece published in the Guardian, it cost the tax payer an average of £40,000 per inmate per year in 2008; I am sure that cost has since risen between then and now. That's just the cost of housing and feeding them; the cost of debriefing and re-integrating them into society would be an expensive extra. By comparison it costs $62,000 a year (2012) to incarcerate Abu Hamza, double what it would cost in a normal Federal penitentiary.

    Whilst one shouldn't visit the sins of the parents onto their children, I would be concerned for that child's future were it to be brought to the UK. Its location must kept an absolute secret and it should have absolutely no direct or indirect contact with any family members. I would still be concerned that, at some future date, it discovers who and what its parents were and that revelation could do it untold harm.
  2. Markham
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    If we take her back, we have to guarantee her safety throughout her journey from the camp where she's being held by Kurdish forces to wherever she ends up back in the UK. No Kurds are going to want to escort her, or any other jihadi prisoners, to the Turkish border since the Turkish government has proscribed the Kurds as terrorists.

    Who and where is this "huge majority" that you speak of?
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  3. PorkAdobo
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    Apologies. Poorly worded on my part.

    I meant "huge majority" of those people who believe she should come back to the UK. Of those people who believe she should be back in the UK, it's a tiny fraction who want her molly coddled and gift wrapped back in the country.

    I completely agree that the majority of the population as a whole do not want her to come back. I don't especially want this, but I balance this against the moral duty of a wealthy, developed country vs leaving a failed state to mop up our mess.
  4. Markham
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    Good man :).
    Not so sure I agree with the premise of your statement and I rather think that the families of those killed and wounded at the Manchester pop concert might take exception to being told that terrorists are their problem. She, Begum, is her parents' and family's problem, not ours and if they want to be reunited with her and their grandchild, they are free to leave the UK and take-up residence in their ancestral homeland.
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  5. PorkAdobo
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    Is it Britain's duty to accept the Australian born criminals who have been born to British parents who have lived in Australia for 30+ years?
  6. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    You seem to be getting confused.
    We used to ship our criminals over to Australia on a boat, they seemingly now have a better lifestyle over there, and a decent health care system to boot.
    Surely no modern day Australian criminal would expect, or wish, to be shipped halfway across the world by the British taxpayer, in order to give birth on the NHS.
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  7. Druk1
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    Druk1 Well-Known Member

    Huge chasm of difference between criminal and a traitorous terrorist.
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  8. bigmac
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    bigmac Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    What would have happened in the 2nd world war to british men who may have gone to germany to become soldiers there to fight against britain ?
  9. Druk1
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    Would this young woman have wanted to return to the UK has the ISIS caliphate not have been on the ropes,if it had been strong in number,large in territory and expanding would she have thrown herself at the mercy of the british government and asked to be allowed back?She fled at 15 years old,furtively slipped out and headed off on her jaunt 15 years old probably the same age as some of the girls murdered in the Manchester ariana grande bombing of 2017 a bombing carried out in ISIS name.i wonder if she shed tears at their fate or high-fived her husband at an ISIS strike in her "own" country?Listen to the interviews,theres not one shed tear for any victims,its all about her and her baby.
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  10. Aromulus
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    Easy.. Peasy.........
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  11. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

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  12. bigmac
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  13. Jim
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    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    They would face a firing squad and shot.
  14. Bootsonground
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    "Get me outa here"!!
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    What??? Sent back to the UK,its bad weather, and bent coppers as a punishment again!! OMG...That`s cruelty!
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    I care more about the 1,000s of genuinely needy people... those with disabilities, terminal illnesses, caring for mums and dads with dementia, etc, in the UK than that stupid evil bitch. Let her rot in hell ! :boxer:
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