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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Markham
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    Your hero, uncle Josef, ordered the Red Army to slaughter anyone who put up any resistance and those sheltering them as they chased Nazi forces out of Russia and the Ukraine and across Poland and Czechoslovakia.

    Daesh would, I suspect, celebrate the killing of their family members calling them "martyrs".

    Trump may be someone of some importance to you but he's of no consequence to most of us.
  2. Markham
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    Big difference between Slade and Begum: Slade's British victims are living and have every right to see him prosecuted for his offences against them and serve his sentence whilst Begum has no victims in the UK yet, as far as we know.
  3. KeithAngel
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    Why not indeed since we are already sponcering you :lol::lol::lol:
  4. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    But to a somewhat less extent than a UK resident with a long-term illness. If I were back in the UK, I'd be in receipt of considerably more of your (my fellow tax payers') money but do feel free to sponsor me further :p

    Not that's it's really any of your business, I paid more in tax last year than I received from UK tax revenues, so who is sponsoring whom?
  5. PorkAdobo
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    The petition for a People's Vote has over 1 million signatures! I'm glad you endorse that!
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-theresa-may-downing-street-a8664981.html?amp

    But seriously, you can't make decisions based on a complex situation that requires more than a Yes/No vote on a loaded question.

    Would I want this girl and her British mates in Syria roaming our streets? No.
    Do I want to fund her trial and imprisonment? Not really.
    Would I be happy if a British citizen born and bred was responsible for killing innocents abroad when we have the capability to bring her to the UK* and face a trial here? That would be a shameful way for our country to act.



    *given the poor diplomatic relations that Britain has with the de facto government led by Assad, I'm not sure whether the girl could be legitimately repatriated at the moment, anyway.
  6. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Every cloud...Eh..?
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  7. Druk1
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    Sharp,I liked that :lol:
  8. Markham
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    And very likely they are Remain supporters who can not accept a democratically arrived-at decision and some of whom insist on branding all Brexiteers "snowflakes".

    Which bit of "leave" do you not understand?
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  9. Markham
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    You seem to be confused as to what you want to happen "yeah, but, no but" - the "Vicky Pollard" response.
  10. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I hope your not going to do a Rachel or Dr Bateman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  11. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Is that the one where it's supporters strip off on daytime TV in an attempt to make a point,or to challenge a sitting MP to strip off as well so they can hold a constructive debate?
    Rachel yes after a few beers
    Dr Bateman nah 'she remains me of an old saying"Iv'e never been to bed with an ugly women Ive woke up with a few though"

    I totally agree Assed is a world issue!
  12. Drunken Max
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    Drunken Max Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    Interesting comment from Ken Clarke, he stated that we expect other countries to take back their criminals or undesirables and get annoyed when they refuse. Now we are refusing to take back our own. I was firmly against her return but his point did make me think again. I, in theory, do not have an moral reason for her return, my issue is the pointless diversion of money and manpower on having to a) keep her safe and b) either lock her up or monitor her. I would let her child come back, though maybe not to return to her family ( having done such a good job with her ).
  13. Markham
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    To those who believe that Begum should be allowed to return because she is a British citizen, the BBC reports that the Home Office does have the legal power to strip her of her nationality. Also, those who travelled to join Daesh and live in the Caliphate would have had to give-up their identity documents and thus she will very likely be unable to prove her identity: on that basis alone, she must not be allowed to return.

    But none of this is going to satisfy the hordes of hand-wringing lefties who are demanding her return. They seem oblivious to the fact that the UK does not currently have a convenient diplomatic presence close to where she's being held so Begum would have to be rescued by British armed forces. Why should any of them be expected to risk life and limb to extricate a potential terrorist simply because her life has gone pear-shaped and yet displays absolutely no remorse for her actions. It takes a certain amount of self-loathing or delusion to want to risk the lives of British soldiers to rescue a girl who would have happily seen her husband cut off the heads of those same soldiers. Shamina Begum voluntarily left the country that had afforded her hospitality and sanctuary and joined forces with perhaps its deadliest enemies: the scimitar-wielding, beheading, bloodthirsty death cult known as ISIS.

    What the do-gooders are asking, what they are demanding, is that the British government use the resources of the British taxpayers and put lives of British soldiers at risk in trying to extricate Ms Begum from Syria. This would be morally wrong. That would be morally bankrupt and irresponsible – saying in effect that British citizens can go and give comfort and aid to the enemy and we will then rescue them when it all goes pear-shaped.

    She sealed her fate when she stole her family's jewellery, sold it, bought an air ticket to Turkey, then crossed the border into Syria and joined Daesh. We owe her nothing. Rien. Nada.

    This girl was apparently radicalised at home over the internet: her parents should be prosecuted for failing to protect her from harmful influences. Furthermore the lefties cry "but she was a child when she left" belies the fact that Begum was well above the age of criminal responsibility.
  14. Drunken Max
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    But Donald Trump, certain right whingers sex fantasy says we should bring her home and try her.... Is the Donald not omnipotent?

    I think you can only strip their citizenship if they have another one they can claim. I've no idea what the status of Begum is. The main problem is that she shows no remorse or regret. don't confuse lefties with liberals. Many on the left are racist and xenophobic, you yourself keep accusing them of anti-semitism..... what am I saying? you think everything bad is all a socialist conspiracy.
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  15. Aromulus
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    It seems to me that we are all going around in ever increasing circles, calling each other fancy names wether in defence or in contempt of a person that has shown no remorse or contrition and that still probably profoundly hates our western values, but at the same time has the gall to demand help???

    Beam me up, Scotty....

    (actually they used to say "Energize")
  16. Druk1
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    She has actually just given birth,its popped up on a newsfeed,she is on TV at the moment,she has actually said she knew about ISIS beheadings and killings before she went to Syria but she was ok with it,now she is saying she thinks she will have a good life in the UK if we will take her back and help her make a new start,this girl has no regrets whatsoever,she is poison.
  17. oss
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    Who is suggesting that we repatriate them, I'm not, they left under their own steam if they get back on their own fine arrest them and slam them in jail.

    Well probably not this one anymore.
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  18. PorkAdobo
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  19. PorkAdobo
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    You're creating a non-existent adversary, here.

    Who are these hordes of lefties demanding she return home? I don't hear many people demanding she must come home, be given a council house and social security for PTSD.

    The huge majority just want the UK to take responsibly for its own scoundrels (as per Donald Trump's request).

    Nobody is also asking British Armed Forces to go in. It is already acknowledged that the situation in Syria means this is not viable. However, for those already captured by Syrian rebels fighting ISIS, it is probably not that difficult to get them to the Turkish or Iraqi border and then put them on a charter flight home.
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  20. Druk1
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    Likewise …………….Who is this HUGE MAJORITY?I don't personally know one single person in real life who wants her here,the people I know say let her rot,she made her bed she must lie in it,how do you arrive at this "Huge majority"?
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