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Shamima Begum

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Mattecube, Feb 16, 2019.

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Should she be allowed to return to live in the U K

  1. yes she is a British citizen

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    5.6%
  2. no

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%
  3. Yes but under stringent curfews

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Good idea.....

    Let us house this lot on the island in north west Scotland used to test antrax.........
  2. PorkAdobo
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    PorkAdobo Active Member

    The day we start applying ISIS standards in our country is the day it truly has gone to the dogs .


    T'was an analogy to highlight how messed up Syria is and how Assad would use any excuse to 'legitimately' knock off anyone he deemed troublesome .



    Yes, the genie is out of the bottle with regards to our domestic terrorists. It is going to be around for a generation at least.

    However, this should not give us an excuse to palm off our radicals on other countries.

    This girl didn't apply for a Syrian visa. Her passport wasn't stamped as she strolled up to the immigration booth. She didn't register at a police station. She didn't claim asylum or refugee status. Neither of the factions in Syria (except ISIS) wanted or allowed this girl to enter. She took advantage of the fact that Syria had become a failed state.

    It is unconscionable that we leave this girl in a country which is a complete basket case just because we don't want to avoid dealing with our own problems.
  3. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Whilst I fully understand your various points and respect your view I feel I have to cordially disagree.

    It will be our problem if we elect for it to be.

    As long as she is out of the country it is not our problem to worry about. So why import it?
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  4. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    I agree but there's nothing to be gained from taking the moral high ground.
  5. PorkAdobo
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    I understand the logic in washing our hands of this problem. However, why bother with extradition orders. Doug Slade was out of sight of British police and just abusing Filipinos. No longer a threat to anyone in the UK. Why go to the hassle of bringing him back to face British justice?

    If this girl and our other jihadis are potentially at risk of killing innocent Syrians or even plotting attacks back in the UK, we need to get our hands on them.
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  6. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    If she returned to the UK how would she get a fair trial in a court of law,?who would testify against her with nothing but facts that are potentially difficult to confirm?
    She has the potential to be a sleeper a war monger in the making, put her in jail she becomes a victim of perceived western world ways who can be held up as a role model for other terrorists, for someone who states "seeing a severed head in a bucket didn't bother her!" a disturbed mind.
    Once poison always poison, only wants to return to milk our system.
    The liberals in the benefits hierarchy must already have her at the top of the list for handouts.
    Life is a bitch at times she made her choices I hope she never returns to these shores.
    RIP Lee Rigby
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  7. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    Judge, jury and executioner

    But you might be surprised that I agree with most of the rest of your post.
  8. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I also agree with you PorkAdobo that this is our problem and we should solve it.
  9. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    My gut would say let her rot.

    My head would say deal with these people here, whatever the financial cost.

    The actual costs of dealing with several thousand returning criminals is tiny, but is something that should be expected of any mature nation.
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  10. graham59
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    Some of the naive members on here would change their tunes very quickly if one their loved ones was blown up or beheaded by one of these lunatics. The human race, whatever nationality, does not need or want them.

    As for what a 'mature' nation might be... please educate me.
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  11. Jim
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    Jim Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I wonder what the Russians or the Chinese would do if one of their citizens did the same?
    Even the USA would exercute her, I should imagine.
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  12. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    Carpe Diem
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  13. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    I haven't executed her (I know you don't mean it literally! Judge her yes by her comments (that's all we have to go on) jury, make a decision yes, based on what has been put before the public domain.
    Execute her no..................... I would sooner have her licking her wounds in the bed she has made for herself.
    ISIS long ago proclaimed that they would not stop till they had destroyed every culture that isn't in line with their beliefs.
    There is an erosion of the free society that we know, it maybe a slow erosion but it is there.
    We can no longer move as freely around our cities as we did 15 years or less ago, look at Westminster bridge as an example.
    How do you deal with them? Prison a breeding ground for radicalisation, Prison a huge tax payer cost, Prison "brothers our brothers are caged by the western infidel"
    ISIS is regrouping
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/af...-covert-threat-beyond-iraq-and-syria-1.824664

    Help these people and pay with your life potentially
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...th-family-to-deliver-life-saving-9774034.html

    RIP Alan Henning
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  14. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Trump calls on European allies to take back 800 Isis fighters captured in Syria

    "On Friday the Guardian reported a co alition commander said Isis fighters had shot and wounded fleeing family members trying to escape from the area.

    Foreign fighters and families have featured prominently among those who have fled Baghuz. The town had been a collection point for extremists who had fled other towns and villages across Syria and Iraq, and is thought to be the last redoubt of zealots who had fought in numerous clashes across both countries.

    On Thursday Shamima Begum, 19, one of three east London schoolgirls who left the UK in 2015 to join Isis, was discovered in the al-Hawl refugee camp in north-east Syria after fleeing the enclave.

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    'Nothing left in Baghuz': Isis families flee as war enters endgame
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    Late on Saturday Trump tweeted: “The United States is asking Britain, France, Germany and other European allies to take back over 800 Isis fighters that we captured in Syria and put them on trial.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...allies-to-take-800-fighters-captured-in-syria

    YourCommander in Chief has spoken:)
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  15. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

  16. Mattecube
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    Mattecube face the sunshine so shadows fall behind you Trusted Member

    Really,what about the abuse he carried out in the UK in the 70s, once poison always poison
    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jailed-paedophile-douglas-slade-philippines-2091036
  17. Markham
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    Markham Guest

    But the greater cost is not financial but met with human life. Or maybe you believe that those who died or were injured at the Aria Grande concert, on Westminster Bridge, or on London's buses or tubes that were attacked by terrorists are a price worth paying to preserve your liberal views on how society works? Maybe you also dismiss Fusilier Lee Rigby's murder as simply unfortunate but understandable on account that he was a soldier and the volunteer aid worker Alan Henning asked for "it" by driving an ambulance four thousand miles across Europe to help refugees in a war zone?

    Shamina Begum stated quite clearly that she neither regrets nor repents her decision to join Daesh and that she was perfectly happy living amongst her terrorist pals. We have to assume that she has been thoroughly radicalised and returning her to normal society, even if gradually phased, would be extremely risky.

    Whilst the country's tax take is up, we are nevertheless as a nation taxed more heavily than ever before but our public services - our Police, schools, prisons, NHS - are in dire need of funds and you want to divert cash to pay for bringing these people home? Tell you what: If you're still of the opinion that Britain should welcome these potential and actual terrorists back to our shores, why don't you set us all an example by agreeing to sponsor one of these returnees through their rather lengthy reintegration process; it should only cost you around a million Pounds or so?

    Oh and please: what is a "mature nation"?
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  18. Druk1
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    :ninja:
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  19. Mattecube
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  20. Druk1
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