New Help need for my children

Kevin what are the dates of birth for your children, it is important because UK law changed on 1st July 2006.

My condolences about your mum, like your dad she's had difficult later years because of the horrors you were put through in the Philippines.

Are you sure about that Kevin, the law changed on 1st of July 2006 that was the date that children of unmarried British fathers gained equality with children of a British mother, prior to that date a child born to a British woman was always seen as being British marriage status did not matter for the woman.

These are the post 1st July 2006 rules https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-british-parent/born-on-or-after-1-july-2006

These are the rules prior to that date https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-british-parent/born-between-1983-and-2006

Charlotte is provable by a DNA test and will get British citizenship, my daughter was born in 2008 and has a British passport I was not and am not married to her mother, at the time I had to get a DNA test done in the Philippines and it was very expensive, things may have changed though and maybe it will be cheaper now.

Charlene Jr is affected by the horrible arbitrary cut off date and yes technically is seen to be the child of the ex husband, the main requirement was that you had to be married to her mother at the time she was born, I think a DNA test will help but you will be relying on this paragraph of the second link.


When I applied in 2008 with a valid case under the 1st July 2006 case (Ana was technically still married to a Korean she had divorced in Korea in 1997) we were treated badly by the British authorities they did their damnest to obstruct us and I was told point blank that the only easy way to prove paternity would be DNA, this is not supposed to be a requirement but they made it one.

Charlotte is definitely British irrespective of the ex husband, but for Charlene Jr you have a fight on your hands.

They have straight up lied to you or at the very least misled you, I registered my daughter as part of the process of applying for a passport for her but registration is no longer supposed to be mandatory.

What they say is correct regards Charlene Jr you would need to take a different route, it is not correct for Charlotte.

You need to stand your ground, whether the mother divorced or not divorced at date of birth is irrelevant after 1st July 2006, they tried the same bullshit with us in 2008, I had the advantage of being physically in the Philippines in order to get a three way DNA test done by a recognised authority.

These people often do not implement the regulations correctly, and this could be a case of weasel words just to say no to you,


https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-british-parent/born-on-or-after-1-july-2006




You need this https://assets.publishing.service.g...tachment_data/file/817215/Guide_MN1-Jul19.pdf

This is the clause they are relying on :


So you need to apply via this route :



The last two excerpts are from document MN1, DNA evidence will be required.

The only difference between your case and mine was that Ana had divorce papers from Korea in 1997 where she divorced, she was never ever annulled in the Philippines and still isn't to this day.

The way they replied to you is designed to throw you off they could have said here is the link to the instructions for the correct route but no they didn't.

Just some proof Kevin so you don't give up, I'm not married, she was divorced abroad, she was never annulled not had her divorce recognised in the Philippines.

This is my daughter's passport back in 2008



You have stated that the husband has divorced Charlene he must have obtained that divorce abroad, was the husband Filipino or foreigner, he already has a divorce so annulment is irrelevant and the interpretation that the UK Passport Office is applying is wrong, she does not need to get an annulment UK passport office are implying that is a requirement it isn't recognition of the divorce is all that could be required and again that was not achieved or required for my daughter.

I'm saying I didn't explicitly go to or contact the Home Office and the difference between your case for Charlotte and my case for Janna is very small.

You need to read the MN1 document in detail.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...tachment_data/file/817215/Guide_MN1-Jul19.pdf

At this point arguing with them is probably pointless so yes you need to read the MN1 guidance and you need to find out how to do the registration, I am certain you will need the DNA evidence for an application for registration

This is the MN1 application form, read it and the guidance carefully

https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/864363/form-mn1-02-2020.pdf

I did fill in an MN1 in Manila at the British Embassy and supplied DNA evidence at the time but for the last few years we have had several members, several of them now ex-members of the site, saying that MN1 was not an absolute requirement these days.

In your case you are going to have to do the MN1 but before you do it and before you pay anything in fees you need to find out exactly what DNA evidence they will accept, the test I had done was a three way test me, Janna and her mum Ana, this was done at UP Diliman (University of the Philippines) and was recorded both on video and photographically it was a forensic test and cost me something like £800 back in 2008.

You need to find out what Philippine laboratory or hospital is currently approved by the UK government, they won't accept any old DNA test, it has to be an approved lab and I don't know who you have to call to get that information but you do need to speak to someone before you part with any money.


The contact details for UP when I used them were as follows, please understand these details are 12 years old, they may well have changed :

Dr Maria Corazon S. De Ungria
DNA Analysis Laboratory
Natural Sciences Research Institute (Miranda Hall) Velasquez cor Quirino St.
University of the Philippines Diliman
1101 Quezon City

Laboratory phone number

+63 24341574

Phone number has probably changed to +63 2 8434 1574 as they added an 8 in Metro Manila the other year.

You said that Charlene's husband divorced her, was he Filipino or was he a foreigner and where did he do it, which country.

They are incorrect about their interpretation of divorce in the Philippines, there is divorce for Filipino's who are divorced by foreigners.

The specific problem you have is that the divorce had not happened at the time the children were born, this is the interpretation they are relying on.

My daughter was born to a mother who had not had a judicially recognised divorce and still hasn't completed the final step, Ana got judicial recognition around about 2011 but she never completed the last steps with the NSO.

We filed an MN1 for registration in 2008, and my daughter has a passport that is a simple fact John.

Kevin did not register the birth of his children at the Embassy within the first year as is required, but the MN1 is registration as a British citizen not an application for a passport and it should still be possible, also the requirements for the MN1 have nothing to do with the passport office.

There is a divorce, divorce papers exist presumably and so long as original documents still exist the process for having it recognised in the Philippines is not that hard, but it does matter if the husband was Filipino or a foreigner.

Kevin please answer my earlier question about the nationality of the ex husband but I have an additional question, is your name on the children's birth certificates and did you get the birth certificates quickly after each child was born.

I am asking because I have been reviewing my official communications with UK authorities back in 2008-09.