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Malta offers special 10 year Residence Permits to Brits if "No Deal" Brexit

Discussion in 'Europe Wide Visa Discussions' started by Markham, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Markham
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    Joseph Muscat, Malta's Prime Minister, has just announced that, following talks with the UK government, Malta will offer special ten year Residence Permits to all British citizens in the event that the UK leaves the EU on a No Deal basis. Applications made before 29th March will be processed and new ID cards issued free of charge whilst those made after this date will attract a "nominal fee". This move partially ends the uncertainty for the 13,000 Brits who live here but we still have to wait for Brussels to decide on our fate should the UK leave with a deal. The new cards will ensure that British citizens continue to enjoy such benefits as health care and not be treated as though they are citizens of a third country.

    I am told, but have no way of confirming, that Italy and the Czech Republic are making similar offers to their British contingencies.
  2. Drunken Max
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    So why do Brexiters keep going on about the EU not making an offer when its obvious that it is a national decision, not an EU one? The truth is that even without a deal, the EU cannot cut off EU migration and will need to make sure the door remains pretty wide open. I see the government has dropped the 10,000s pledge now. Ironic ( I would say duplicitous ) now that they will have control of ALL immigration.
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  3. Drunken Max
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    I am happy for the Brits that benefit though.
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  4. Markham
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    We're in danger of entering a political discussion which is outside the scope of this section and for which we might get clipped ears! Nevertheless let me try to explain this in the terms in which it was relayed to me:
    • The UK has offered permanent residence permits to all EU27 citizens and their families who are in-country on 29th March (in case of no deal) or 31st December 2020 otherwise. This offer was made 12+ months ago as part of the Article 50 negotiations.
    • No matching offer has been made by the EU side and the Commission has instructed member states not to negotiate directly with the UK but only via the Commission.
    • In the case of "No Deal" member states can, if they wish, make arrangements for UK nationals to suit their own needs/conditions but these can not include any Freedom of Movement or other EU-wide entitlements/provisions. These arrangements will be by bi-lateral treaties between each member country and the UK and the offers can vary between host countries.
    • There are 13,000 'permanent' British residents in Malta, these form the largest non-Maltese group. Their number is increased by up to around 7,000 seasonal long-stay visitors who spend 6-plus months of the year here; all 20,000 will be entitled to the new cards and will not require Schengen Visas to travel here.
    • If the UK leaves with a deal, the existing arrangements for British nationals living in the EU27 continue as at present until the last day of the implementation period. It has been suggested to me that certain EU leaders (eg Macron) want to delay any decision vis-a-vis British residents until the last possible minute so that they (the Brits) can be used as bargaining pawns - just as our coastal fisheries will be. If there is a deal, the (EU-wide) offer for British residents may not be quite as generous as that being offered by the Maltese government for the No Deal scenario.
  5. Markham
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    It won't be: nationals of other EU countries receive residence permits that are valid for five years.
  6. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    It has always been the case that member states could exceed the minimum requirements of 2004/38

    the problems have always been the wilfull attepts to dilute the minimum requirements by in the UK,s case

    delaying and adding Home Office requirements that then require ECJ cases to test their lawfullness

    (huge delays and expence) Other EU Country,s have as Chris found with Spain beaurocratic traps for the

    unwary.

    Our personal experience was little knowledge of the existing rules and no ready accountabilty still nothing

    compared to the hoops our home office put us to:)
  7. Markham
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    You're confusing the issue with irrelevances.

    To reiterate: If the UK leaves the EU on a 'No Deal' basis then the provisions of 2004/38 cease to apply as of 11pm GMT on 29th March. That means that unless individual EU nations make special arrangements for British citizens, the rights of those citizens to live (and work) in their adopted homes ceases at that time and their Residence Permits are effectively voided; 2004/38 no longer applies in respect of British citizens. Malta is one of the few members of the EU to have announced special arrangements, in the even of 'No Deal', for resident Brits, arrangements that provide greater security for them over and above what's guaranteed to nationals of other EU states.
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  9. Markham
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    Fixed it for you!

    Do reread the OP which explains the situation in Malta - which is what this thread is about.
  10. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

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  11. KeithAngel
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    Yes it has and here is what it says:)

    "In a little-publicised no-deal technical notice published this week, the UK government said: “An S1 certificate helps you and your dependents access healthcare in the EU/EEA country where you live. If you have an S1 certificate, it will be valid until 29 March 2019. After this date, the certificate may not be valid, depending on decisions by member states.”
  12. KeithAngel
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    Register for healthcare
    If you are eligible, register for healthcare under the local rules of the country you live in. You may have to be a long-term legal resident or pay social security contributions to access free or discounted healthcare in the EU/EEA country.

    It is recommended that you get health insurance while you are applying for residency.

    Health insurance
    You may need to buy healthcare insurance in the country you live in so you can receive the healthcare treatment you need.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-nati...ign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate
  13. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    OK, so get it sorted.
  14. KeithAngel
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    KeithAngel 2063 Lifetime Member

    Wrong thread Dave thats the Poker thread:)

    This is simple fact regardless of you understanding it or not
  15. Markham
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    If you wish to post irrelevant information that is also out of date and/or plain wrong, please start your own topic. This thread is about the arrangements agreed between the UK and Maltese governments in the increasingly likely event of the UK leaving the European Union with no deal.

    The UK government is not known for the accuracy and completeness of the information it publishes online and there are glaring errors. For example, it says
    It is not simply recommended, it is mandatory, not only that but it fails to clarify that an EHIC card can not be used as evidence of health cover for that application; policies such as Axa's Low-Cost Schengen Health will also not be accepted . Furthermore, it talks about a so-called "S1 Certificate" which provides the holder with access to the same health services as a native of that person's chosen country of residence. The correct name for this 'certificate' is "Form S" but its simple acquisition and possession does not give the holder any rights whatsoever; certainly not here in Malta. That Form must be taken to the Entitlement Unit of the Department of Health's offices in St Luke's Hospital as evidence of the applicant's eligibility for a Certificate of Entitlement which normally takes around two weeks. It is that Certificate that must be shown at any of the 8 Health Centres or 2 hospitals before treatment is commenced.

    All these facts and more should be known by the Foreign Office clerk who prepares the briefing papers upon which the web sites are built.

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